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Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by neontomo »

mechanical_bear wrote: post #211
jakesgates wrote: post #192

I really appreciate the write-up, as I have had many 'linux evenings' myself, and it always gets on my nerves when some members of the community act as if linux 'just works' for almost all users. Worth noting I love linux, and am a happy user, but I have had quite a few instances of relying on a more-experienced person previously running into the issue, or else I would still be stuck with those previous problems..

It does just work for most users. They don’t get online and post 2000 word blog entries about their successfully completing their work for the day with no hiccups.

You just inspired me to do just that. https://neontomo.com/blog/?id=a-linux-evening-where-nothing-...

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by mechanical_bear »

neontomo wrote: post #281
mechanical_bear wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does just work for most users. They don’t get online and post 2000 word blog entries about their successfully completing their work for the day with no hiccups.

You just inspired me to do just that. https://neontomo.com/blog/?id=a-linux-evening-where-nothing-...

Lol beat me to it :-) Glad someone was inspired!

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by Fnoord »

riskable wrote: post #227
alexpotato wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always like this story about MacOs. - Most OSes do a full dhcp look up when they connect to a network even if they have connected to the network before. Wifi saved networks is a good example of a network where you have some historical information on the connection - MacOs however keeps track of the IP addresses that it saw for each of the networks it has connected to recently. If it sees a network it's been on befo…

...and the network intrusion detection system throws up all sorts of alarm bells about IPs being spoofed and duplicate IPs in use. I assume MacOS actually only re-uses IPs if it sees the lease hasn't already expired but it might be dumber than that.

IIRC DHCP leases should be refreshed at their half-time. Or perhaps I am mistaken and this is how Windows works.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by Fnoord »

vid wrote: post #22

Someone should tell the author about the great lshw, it lists full details of the system board (and everything else) without having to go to a GUI display. azalp description: Desktop Computer product: B660M AORUS PRO AX DDR4 (Default string) vendor: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. version: -CF serial: Default string width: 64 bits capabilities: smbios-3.4.0 dmi-3.4.0 smp vsyscall32 configuration: boot=normal chassis=de…

Nice to see hinv finally found its way ;) I agree, those neofetch screenshots are more about desktop GUI and such. They don't cover the hardware enough.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by quijoteuniv »

kingboss wrote: post #129
quijoteuniv wrote: post #53

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1 - I wonder what OS do you use. 2 - Have you actually tried Linux?

I have. It's still inferior to Windows and it's trying to be a discount version of MacOS. And it's doing a bad job at it.

I am afraid your comment does not encourage discussion. You can try justifying your assertions. Otherwise we just talking about feelings. I find the open source world gives me hope on humanity, in opposition to the sensation i get from Mucrosoft or Apple. I find learning the command line rewarding, that is the strenght of Linux IMO

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by npteljes »

nearlyepic wrote: post #155
npteljes wrote: post #82

If OP used Windows exclusively, he'd have Windows evenings. There's tools that people complain about, and tools that people don't use.

Yeah. Anecdotally I once spent a "Windows Evening" trying to figure out why a game would freeze at the controls remapping menu. Found out that Windows' own game controllers menu was experiencing the same freeze. I went so far as to reinstall Windows entirely, only to find that the issue wasn't resolved. Started disconnecting devices out of desperation, only to find out that the issue was caused by the driver of a USB…

They really are a mess, if you dig a bit deeper. Many of the OS issues are actually even bigger hardware issues, which the OS failed to amend.

My gripe with Windows is usually not related to the operating system itself, but rather the direction it's headed as a product. And I also don't like that when people say that Linux is so tinker-y, compared to Windows, which "just works". A system that "just works", in my experience, is a system that the user is used to. Familiarity makes the issues seem trivial, and the unfamiliar issues seem insurmountable, which hardly results in a fair comparison.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by npteljes »

Waterluvian wrote: post #86
npteljes wrote: post #82

If OP used Windows exclusively, he'd have Windows evenings. There's tools that people complain about, and tools that people don't use.

This reasoning implies that every OS is equally buggy in ways that impact usability. I think this is likely untrue. I don’t think it really matters if windows bugs exist, but how often they occur and impact use of the tool.

I agree. I don't know if it's down to luck, but I have a very positive experience with Linux, even on random notebooks, and I also really tried a good amount of distros too. I also have an extensive user experience with Windows. Currently, in my head, they are on par. There's stupid shit in both.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by npteljes »

yCombLinks wrote: post #120
npteljes wrote: post #82

If OP used Windows exclusively, he'd have Windows evenings. There's tools that people complain about, and tools that people don't use.

Windows just works without a hassle far more often than any linux distro I've installed.

My experience is different, my systems usually work, but there have been quite a few head-scratchers with both Linux and Windows.

Re: A Linux Evening

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Post by blueflow »

jodrellblank wrote: post #270
arghwhat wrote: post #236

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Not quite. If you are a non-developer not patient enough to wait for others to volunteer, or are a developer thinking that your time is somehow more valuable than those of the maintainers, then GTFO. :) Waiting patiently and politely reporting bugs is a fine strategy: If a problem affects enough people, it will eventually affect a developer capable and willing to fix it. If you want it go faster, you will have to get…

Where did AnIdiotOnTheNet's comment include not being a developer, not being patient, or thinking their time is more valuable than others? Why is it so much more important to put someone in their place and win internet points with ad-homs in the "community" which supposedly values freedom?

"Whats the point in ${enormous amount of work others did for me for free} ..." is never a polite move. Neither is your second sentence.

You two are just rude. No amount of freedom forces other people to bear with that. And if you think its not rude, still, the world is large enough to avoid each other.

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