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Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by marcthe12 »

tzs wrote: post #36

I wonder if it is possible to take two or more high water using industries and combine them in a way that would all the combination to work on substantially less water than they were using individually? For example we've all read that it takes a little over a gallon to grow an almond. And it takes about 10 gallons to make one integrated circuit. But that almond does not contain a gallon of water. The almond only cont…

for plants, the issue is transpiration where water escape as steam through the leaves.

The cleanup part though has used for domestic application sucessfully in several places like Singapore and Las Vegas. What the do is that the cities domestic waste water is cleaned up to the point it is safe to be used a gain (quality become equal or better that the source). This can be now recycled back. I wonder if this can be implemented for industrial waste water.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by listenallyall »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #99
refurb wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An anarchist who promotes the government taking rights by force? Im a communist who loves free markets!

Market socialism and market communism exist. I think they are bad ideologies, but they exist. Don't confuse ideals with immediate needs. My ideals, and what I'm willing to do today in the name of harm reduction aren't always aligned. It's called "making compromises" and "using your judgement". A blindly dogmatic adherence to ones own idealism is a recipe for all talk but no material improvements.

> blindly dogmatic adherence

So then what's with the insistence (and multiple reminders) of self-labelling as "anarchist"? Why not pragmatist, or harm-reducer, or just not labelling or categorizing yourself at all?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by TEP_Kim_Il_Sung »

hutzlibu wrote: post #67
diob wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heck, even Chomsky is an anarchist. I don't know what the comment to you was insinuating, that we shouldn't fix things? Big https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/330/819/e47... energy.

"I don't know what the comment to you was insinuating" Obviously that anarchism means, being opposed to all government activity, regulation and rules, so he cannot call him an anarchist if he wants rules for a river. But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use ..

> But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use ..

Sure there is:

anarchism (n.) "political doctrine advocating leaderlessness," 1640s; see anarchy + -ism.

anarchy (n.) 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), abstract noun from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

jahewson wrote: post #97
0xB31B1B wrote: post #48

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a huge portion of the alfalfa being irrigated isn't even used to feed american beef. The plants are literally sent to saudi arabia to feed cows there. You could entirely fix the agricultural use of water if you priced it more accurately. There is enough water to grow all the food we need and more, its just priced in a way that encourages the agricultural landlords who own the water rights to waste it because it is es…

I'm struggling to believe that it's a "a huge portion" given that Saudi Arabia has less than 1/10th the population of the US. Still, the story you link to is an amazing self-own on the part of Arizona.

>So far, four California water districts have proposed to reduce water use by up to 400,000 acre-feet per year. That would amount to about 9% of the state’s total water allotment from the river through 2026.

Even a 10% reduction in use due to Saudi exports would be higher than the current goal. It is considered a national security risk to export encryption to foreign countries, but it isn't a national security risk to export our water? And why are we growing such water-intensive crops in a desert to begin with?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by dontlaugh »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #61
paxys wrote: post #51

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> I get it, I'm an anarchist You may need to read up the definition of that word

My guy, I've spent a decade reading up on that word. You want to talk Bookchin, Kroptkin, or Öcalan I'm available any time. Respect to my anarchist comrades who are all or nothing, but I recognize the current system we live in, and I'm not going to throw away the useful tools before replacing them.

As a communist, respect to pragmatic anarchist comrades.

State power can be useful, even if we both wish to be rid of it.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by cowthulhu »

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #103
hutzlibu wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't know what the comment to you was insinuating" Obviously that anarchism means, being opposed to all government activity, regulation and rules, so he cannot call him an anarchist if he wants rules for a river. But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use ..

> But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use .. Sure there is: anarchism (n.) "political doctrine advocating leaderlessness," 1640s; see anarchy + -ism. anarchy (n.) 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used o…

I disagree with anarchists as much as the next guy, but a quick google gets a bunch of results that contradict your definitions. It seems that anarchism is, at best, very rarely defined in the way you provided.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by cowthulhu »

listenallyall wrote: post #102
ancapsfascists wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Market socialism and market communism exist. I think they are bad ideologies, but they exist. Don't confuse ideals with immediate needs. My ideals, and what I'm willing to do today in the name of harm reduction aren't always aligned. It's called "making compromises" and "using your judgement". A blindly dogmatic adherence to ones own idealism is a recipe for all talk but no material improvements.

> blindly dogmatic adherence So then what's with the insistence (and multiple reminders) of self-labelling as "anarchist"? Why not pragmatist, or harm-reducer, or just not labelling or categorizing yourself at all?

I think he calls himself an anarchist because his core beliefs are anarchist?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by ethanbond »

lazide wrote: post #71
diggernet wrote: post #30

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the legal framework is eminent domain

Not even close. If anyone tried to use it to do that, everyone would regret it.

Welp guess we’ll have to let several mega cities just dry up and turn to dust then! Glad we had such a low regret option available all along

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by ethanbond »

ineptech wrote: post #35

Wow, this has gotten bad fast. I did some reading on the water shortage in the Southwest the last time I saw a story about it on the FP, and came away with the idea that this is a classic coordination trap, and the only solutions are a) everyone involved spontaneously decides to conserve water in unison, and b) the Feds enact quick, decisive regulations that almost no one (the states involved, counties and cities, de…

Just to be crystal clear this has not gotten bad fast. This has been a loud, obvious, well known issue at least since I was born in Arizona almost 30 years ago.

I cannot count the number of times I’ve heard sentiments to the effect of, “well you know there’s no water, so that’s why we’re building on a lot further up the basin and we’ll just have to drill the well deeper than the other folks.”

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by hutzlibu »

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung wrote: post #103
hutzlibu wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I don't know what the comment to you was insinuating" Obviously that anarchism means, being opposed to all government activity, regulation and rules, so he cannot call him an anarchist if he wants rules for a river. But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use ..

> But the thing with anarchism is, that there is not really a authorative definition accepted and in use .. Sure there is: anarchism (n.) "political doctrine advocating leaderlessness," 1640s; see anarchy + -ism. anarchy (n.) 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used o…

The joke was, that anarchists in general are not a big fan of authorative things, so you can cite all the definitions you want - there will be still lots of anarchists who will oppose that and have their own definition. And yes, they are contradictive, as for example some anarchists negate all authorithy all the time (at least in theory), while some are fine with voluntarily authority, with a grey area into unvoluntarily authority.

(In my opinion, there is allmost no anarchist opposed to all authority - they might say so, but only because they negate the existence of informal hierachies and do not consider collectivism (theft) as a shape of authority for instance. Lots of hypocrisy going on there, but there are self aware and righteous folks among them)

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