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The Twitter Files, Part Six

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They didn't have to submit high quality reports because they were working with ideological soulmates.

What ideology do you believe the Federal Bureau of Investigation to share with Twitter's former leadership?

The one that Twitter ideologues needed to hear from the FBI to get it to do what the FBI wanted it to do.

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They were coordinating with Yoel Roth to police content. It's absurd that this news is being dismissed people don't like Twitter's new chief .

Specifically policing misinformation around elections?

policing "misinformation" is not the role of the United States government.

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I don't see anything about being a "small fry" mattering when it comes to the law. It's pretty cut and dried. What the FBI is doing is unconstitutional and illegal. Why are you minimizing it? That they are doing it all is extremely alarming. It's like saying "the concentration camp only has 5 people, what's the big deal?" And why are you comparing them to private companies? Private companies are not covered by the sa…

If the FBI was legally compelling or coercing Twitter into banning users, that would be unconstitutional. That is not what has been demonstrated here.

Why is the FBI spending tax payer dollars trying to influence media outlets at all? Do you not find this alarming? It's absolutely outside their realm of responsibility.

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At no point did the FBI order that tweets be taken down.

Yeah, so it seems looking at the emails, which is the only piece of information we are allowed to see. However if you think about it for a minute, if the FBI were this bold in written, subpoena-able communication, what do you think the offline conversations looked like?

"The evidence doesn't show malfeasance, but if you imagine other evidence that does show malfeasance, that would be bad" is not a compelling argument in any situation.

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Why do people keep saying they knowingly allowed child exploitation. Do I need to be deep in the qanon to get this reference or something?

They can't/don't want to monetize the pornography on their website because some of it is abuse material. Normal people think it's not enough to not profit from it - you need to try very hard to remove it.

They do remove it. I've reported illegal pornography on Twitter several times and they removed it faster than any other kind of abuse report I made there. And it's not like I went out to look for it, if you're on Twitter long enough you will end up with DMs from the weirdest people.

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Twitter isn't a media outlet; content moderation isn't censorship; routine communications over email aren't "behind closed doors"; suggestions that Twitter investigate certain accounts carry no legal weight.

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> What you call a "suggestion" can easily be interpreted as a threat

Anything can be interpreted as a threat if you're paranoid enough, but the text of the emails (if you ignore Taibbi's commentary) is pretty clearly inconsistent with that interpretation.

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I don't see anything about being a "small fry" mattering when it comes to the law. It's pretty cut and dried. What the FBI is doing is unconstitutional and illegal. Why are you minimizing it? That they are doing it all is extremely alarming. It's like saying "the concentration camp only has 5 people, what's the big deal?" And why are you comparing them to private companies? Private companies are not covered by the sa…

What is the law that is being broken here, and how are punishments measured for its infraction? Is it based on amount of impact? Because if so, then asking moderation for a dozen or two accounts with limited reach is something that might carry a small amount of punishment, if any at all. The first amendment is about the government making laws to infringe upon free speech. I see no laws being made here. So it is the g…

If the FBI suggested to the various tech companies to shut down all your accounts and they complied, you'd be singing a different tune.

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Not a violation of free speech to tell Twitter to take down illegal content.

Twitter took stuff down at the government's request even though they couldn't find a violation of their own ToS, let alone determine that things were illegal.

Can you cite an example of that? I've read all of the threads so far and none of them demonstrate an account being taken down at the government's request.

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At least give us a retrospective 2 years later on the accounts that were requested to be taken down and why. There are ways around this dilemma.

I'll give you one example: I was called up on my cell phone in the middle of the night by the police in NL that a person was attempting suicide on camera on our website. We fished their IP number out of the logs and passed it on which allowed LE (after contact with the relevant ISP) + medical assistance to get there in record time and help the person who ended up surviving and being quite happy that their attempt had…

> The only reason people want to know about this stuff is some kind of morbid curiosity.

Nobody has a problem with the FBI doing takedown requests for that kind of content. It's about political content (labelled "civic misinformation") on accounts like @RSBNetwork. The FBI isn't supposed to be taking sides and potentially influencing elections by encouraging social media companies to ban accounts of political actors.

Personally I'm of two minds about this whole thing. While I have concerns, the right-wing in the US at the moment are an authoritarian movement and social media companies are doing not nearly enough in the way of moderation. Ideally the FBI would have stayed out of it and Twitter would have upped their game.

> You would have to decide on a case-by-case basis which requests can cause harm and which don't, which given the volume of such requests would add a fairly unreasonable burden on a company that was already cash strapped.

I'd put the burden on the FBI. If they want to exclude all clearly non-political content (e.g. suicide videos) from the transparency report that's ok by me.

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Not a violation of free speech to tell Twitter to take down illegal content.

What was illegal about the NYPost breaking a story about content found on Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop? If you have allegations of illegality, who determined that? Are you saying FBI should just say "Trust us, it's illegal - we don't need a jury or a judge"? Since when does the FBI just get to accuse people of things and take their rights away?

Taibbi explicitly said that the FBI did not request action be taken on the Hunter Biden story.
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