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The Twitter Files, Part Six

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Who is saying that people should be harmed? Seriously. Whoever you have in mind, if they're actually advocating violence against people then I'm in agreement with you. That's not cool and they shouldn't be doing that. Are you referring to calling a trans person by their biological sex?

Why does your mind instinctively go to that example?

Because leftists often use that as an example of hate speech.

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So far this whole Twitter Files thing seems underwhelming, but not exactly a "nothing burger". I feel like it's a good thing that they got published, but the details aren't big news, more like a whole bunch of mildly unsatisfactory situations that probably should be addressed by people directly involved. For example FBI trawling through social media and flagging accounts for review doesn't seem like a strict constitu…

A moderate, and reasonable position. I would definitely agree that this sort of stuff should be readily available for review, not requiring FOIA requests.

I disagree. For instance: LE might become aware of a sexting or suicide attempt or some other thing that people do that is not strictly illegal but that might be embarrassing or that could cause the person trouble in their private life. Having a degree of confidentiality helps to both speed up the process because not every word has to be weighed on the scale of 'how does this look in the public arena' and it helps to preserve the privacy of all parties involved.

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He was the commander in chief. Who do you believe the FBI is acting on behalf of if not his handpicked successor to Comey?

The FBI acts on behalf of the state, and the FBI. Trump picked an FBI guy to run the FBI. I don't know why he did it, either.

Maybe the FBI director was under orders from the president to prevent opposition hacks from spreading misinformation about the date of the election, thereby costing him the election.

Wait, are you saying this was all to ensure Trump wins? Are you saying this is proof of a Watergate type situation?!?

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This is the height of hypocrisy. Everything the "twitter files" have disclosed so far is in line with what most people expected was happening, but Musk's censorship of the platform has been far more egregious than anything that came before. This isn't to defend the actions that Twitter took, which were arguably partisan in some cases, but it's difficult to make the case that Twitter wasn't making a best effort to cur…

>This is the height of hypocrisy. Everything the "twitter files" have disclosed so far is in line with what most people expected was happening Twitter repeatedly denied that right-wing users were being shadowbanned. That turned out to be false. A month ago, someone on HN patronizingly explained to me that Twitter's moderation was "primarily dictated by building an advertiser friendly platform": https://news.ycombinat…

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Are you under the impression that the FBI was acting on behalf of Trump during his presidency?

He was the commander in chief. Who do you believe the FBI is acting on behalf of if not his handpicked successor to Comey?

The FBI certainly wasn't acting on behalf of Obama when they sat on the revelation of Hilary's emails found on Huma Abedin's laptop to manufacture an October surprise. The fact that folks like Giuliani knew about it before it was made public goes to show that the FBI isn't a unified organization all moving in the same direction.

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Can you outline a scheme that would satisfy your needs for transparency while at the same time not result in compromising active investigations, tipping off the perps that they are under surveillance and so on? Because I don't see a practical way to achieve that ideal that would still work. Having been on the receiving end of such requests I was pretty happy all of them were made in a confidential manner, it saved ev…

At least give us a retrospective 2 years later on the accounts that were requested to be taken down and why. There are ways around this dilemma.

I'll give you one example: I was called up on my cell phone in the middle of the night by the police in NL that a person was attempting suicide on camera on our website. We fished their IP number out of the logs and passed it on which allowed LE (after contact with the relevant ISP) + medical assistance to get there in record time and help the person who ended up surviving and being quite happy that their attempt had failed (it's been more than a decade and I still have that image etched into my brain). There is no 'best before' date on something like that, just knowing the account name would be enough to cause trouble for that person all over again.

You would have to decide on a case-by-case basis which requests can cause harm and which don't, which given the volume of such requests would add a fairly unreasonable burden on a company that was already cash strapped.

The only reason people want to know about this stuff is some kind of morbid curiosity. What you could do is to come up with a set of workable rules for which requests would have to be made public and which not, but I don't think I would be capable of coming up with such a set of rules that would not in the future lead to issues. So to default to secrecy seems prudent.

In that light, the sale of Twitter and the subsequent exposure of all these interactions presumably has the effect of such communications becoming more opaque rather than less resulting in the opposite effect of what you desire.

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It's literally none of those things. The FBI contacted trust and safety and said 'Hey we have concerns about these tweets'. Twitter decided to take them down in some cases. Who is corrupted here? Twitter for taking reports and then deciding how to react to them? The FBI for finding misinformation that might lead to crazies creating mass casualty events? The FBI at no time FORCED twitter to do anything. So it's not vi…

The corruption is that the requests were ideologically based. In other words, they only requested conservative tweets to be removed.

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> If you run a social media company and the government tells you, "Hey, we want these people banned", and you ban them, is the company "voluntarily" choosing to ban them? Yes? When the CDC says "we recommend you get vaccinated against the flu", and you get vaccinated, you're acting voluntarily, despite the government recommendation.

So, did you just not read the rest of my comment?

What duress was Twitter under? It sounds like they happily cooperated because they mostly agreed with the FBI’s recommendations. Perhaps you can call that bias in favor of Trump’s government. But based on the OP account, it was freely voluntary.

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He was the commander in chief. Who do you believe the FBI is acting on behalf of if not his handpicked successor to Comey?

The FBI certainly wasn't acting on behalf of Obama when they sat on the revelation of Hilary's emails found on Huma Abedin's laptop to manufacture an October surprise. The fact that folks like Giuliani knew about it before it was made public goes to show that the FBI isn't a unified organization all moving in the same direction.

Maybe Obama wanted revenge on Hillary’s use of dirty tricks against him during the 2008 primaries.

https://spectator.org/64130_obama-accused-hillary-labeling-h...

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