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Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by lazide »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #87
lazide wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you reconcile being an anarchist with calling for federal rule making interventionism?

Here's an analogy: let's say you work on cars and you've got a decent set of tools. You have a friend who has an excellent set and a whole shop. You can imagine yourself running with your ideal set. But the first step isn't "throw out all your tools and get a $20 Walmart box of assorted tools." I can imagine a society built on mutual aid, and I practice that everywhere I can. But I have access to tools today. I can v…

That literally sounds like the opposite of anarchism to me. But you do you I guess?

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by hedora »

tzs wrote: post #36

I wonder if it is possible to take two or more high water using industries and combine them in a way that would all the combination to work on substantially less water than they were using individually? For example we've all read that it takes a little over a gallon to grow an almond. And it takes about 10 gallons to make one integrated circuit. But that almond does not contain a gallon of water. The almond only cont…

The cuties brand oranges are (partially) irrigated with fracking waste water of secret and unregulated composition.

So, someone already took your idea and ruined it on multiple levels.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by antifa »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #61
paxys wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I get it, I'm an anarchist You may need to read up the definition of that word

My guy, I've spent a decade reading up on that word. You want to talk Bookchin, Kroptkin, or Öcalan I'm available any time. Respect to my anarchist comrades who are all or nothing, but I recognize the current system we live in, and I'm not going to throw away the useful tools before replacing them.

Kropotkin is my favorite geologist/climatologist.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by worstestes »

hedora wrote: post #92
tzs wrote: post #36

I wonder if it is possible to take two or more high water using industries and combine them in a way that would all the combination to work on substantially less water than they were using individually? For example we've all read that it takes a little over a gallon to grow an almond. And it takes about 10 gallons to make one integrated circuit. But that almond does not contain a gallon of water. The almond only cont…

The cuties brand oranges are (partially) irrigated with fracking waste water of secret and unregulated composition. So, someone already took your idea and ruined it on multiple levels.

Do you have a source for this? I see light claims online but nothing truly concrete.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by cauthon »

a9h74j wrote: post #57
eikenberry wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also never seen anyone address the high chance that post UBI the #1 issue for every politician will become "I will raise the UBI" and if they don't their opposition will. How will we deal with an ever increasing UBI and where will that every increasing source of money come from?

Dmitri Orlov has remarked: Universal Basic Income leads to Universal Basic Outcome, which is poverty.

I don’t know who that is, but the “universal basic outcome” is already poverty

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by reducesuffering »

philsnow wrote: post #64
smcl wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read that the original comment was laying the blame at the feet of individual consumer choices - implying that if people simply bought/consumed less of … whatever is causing the Colorado river to be depleted then things would fix themselves. And the reply is saying that there need to be explicit regulations to cause this, presumably because people have really no way to know the what environmental impact each dollar…

I read it the same way, similarly to PR campaigns that tell Californians to water their lawns less and take fewer and shorter showers, even thought that usage uses by far less water than ag or industrial uses.

We should all do our part. Less ag and industrial products means a higher cost for us all.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by jahewson »

0xB31B1B wrote: post #48
phpisthebest wrote: post #38

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You know there is all kinds of talk about civil war over politics like guns, or abortion, etc. The one thing that will cause a civil war is if you take away American's access to beef. Good luck trying to do that

a huge portion of the alfalfa being irrigated isn't even used to feed american beef. The plants are literally sent to saudi arabia to feed cows there. You could entirely fix the agricultural use of water if you priced it more accurately. There is enough water to grow all the food we need and more, its just priced in a way that encourages the agricultural landlords who own the water rights to waste it because it is es…

I'm struggling to believe that it's a "a huge portion" given that Saudi Arabia has less than 1/10th the population of the US. Still, the story you link to is an amazing self-own on the part of Arizona.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by ancapsfascists »

lazide wrote: post #91
ancapsfascists wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's an analogy: let's say you work on cars and you've got a decent set of tools. You have a friend who has an excellent set and a whole shop. You can imagine yourself running with your ideal set. But the first step isn't "throw out all your tools and get a $20 Walmart box of assorted tools." I can imagine a society built on mutual aid, and I practice that everywhere I can. But I have access to tools today. I can v…

That literally sounds like the opposite of anarchism to me. But you do you I guess?

Sounds like you don't know many anarchists? Most of the anarchists I know are focused on:

Building mutual aid networks locally, first and foremost. We help us, we protect us. Think food, clothing, and shelter for anyone in need.

Advocate for harm reduction. Given there are a lot of systemic problems that will take years to unwind, it's important to offset those harms, even if it's not your ultimate goal. I vote. It takes me ten minutes, it reduces the harm by electing progressive politicians who might be able to lower the power of capital. That doesn't make me not an anarchist. I can hold an ideal and also recognize reality simultaneously.

Finally, anarchists educate. They are focused on teaching that anarchism isn't "the purge", it's a system built on the idea that every human deserves respect. We have the means to care for everyone and still enjoy some luxuries.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by ancapsfascists »

refurb wrote: post #77
ancapsfascists wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guy, I've spent a decade reading up on that word. You want to talk Bookchin, Kroptkin, or Öcalan I'm available any time. Respect to my anarchist comrades who are all or nothing, but I recognize the current system we live in, and I'm not going to throw away the useful tools before replacing them.

An anarchist who promotes the government taking rights by force? Im a communist who loves free markets!

Market socialism and market communism exist. I think they are bad ideologies, but they exist.

Don't confuse ideals with immediate needs. My ideals, and what I'm willing to do today in the name of harm reduction aren't always aligned.

It's called "making compromises" and "using your judgement". A blindly dogmatic adherence to ones own idealism is a recipe for all talk but no material improvements.

Re: Fears of ‘dead pool’ on Colorado River as drought threatens Hoover Dam water

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Post by bagels »

ineptech wrote: post #35

Wow, this has gotten bad fast. I did some reading on the water shortage in the Southwest the last time I saw a story about it on the FP, and came away with the idea that this is a classic coordination trap, and the only solutions are a) everyone involved spontaneously decides to conserve water in unison, and b) the Feds enact quick, decisive regulations that almost no one (the states involved, counties and cities, de…

Can't wait to see what silly signs get put up along 5 in the central valley soon.
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