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The people who cheered Musk for his "pro free speech" attitude don't actually believe or want free speech. They want free speech for themselves and censorship for people they don't like. See the terrorist attacks against Drag Queens.

I don't know why it's so impossible to believe there are people who truly do want free speech. I wasn't sure if Musk was going to deliver it, but I tried to remain open-minded. I did think previous Twitter management leaned left with some admittedly difficult moderation decisions, but obviously I'm finding out that Musk is even less supportive of true free speech. Ironically this banning of Mastodon links is the #1 t…

>don't know why it's so impossible to believe there are people who truly do want free speech.

Because everybody has a point where they don't want free speech anymore. If I gathered your home address and told everyone you were a pedophile that needed to be killed, you'd probably be less stoked about free speech.

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Its frustrating because my immediate response to people like Musk in my day to day life is to ignore them at all costs. This is a largely successful strategy in person. My strategy collapses however when the belligerent is able to buy a whole platform and then become a perpetual victim on that platform. Worse, mastodon has fallen short for me as an escape hatch. The activity just isn't there.

> Worse, mastodon has fallen short for me as an escape hatch. The activity just isn't there. What kind/level of activity are you looking for? Just curious, not trying to make a criticism of you or anything, to be clear.

Fair question, but I'm also unsure how to answer it in a meaningful way. "Regular engagement" both to and from accounts of interest is probably a good start.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Musk joined a Twitter Spaces discussion about the bans and was mocked after he left [1]. Notably, suspended accounts were on stage with Elon during the discussion [2]. The space was ended abruptly 30 minutes later and it appears it was killed on Twitter’s side given that the usual metadata does not match what a closed Space has. This Space was being recorded and the replay is not available [3]. Musk now claims that t…

I think calling anyone defending Musk at any level a “cheerleader” isn’t a helpful framing of the debate. It’s important not to make any issue an “I align with X so you’re against me” conflict. Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact. Musk is also behaving erratically, inconsistently, and seemingly also unethically over Twitter. And has done so in the past, eg in the dispute with the…

> Musk has achieved great, incredible things. That’s just indisputable fact.

But I dispute that.

> the development of reusable rockets

Reusable rockets existed for almost exactly 25 years before the first SpaceX flight.

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A sense of perspective is always valuable in avoiding hyperbole.

Pasteur's invention of vaccination was a great thing. Walking on the Moon was an incredible thing.

Musk is some industrialist with a bunch of _promising_ projects, many of which are in trouble right about now.

Buying a car company and convincing rich people to buy shoddy electric cars, in part by lying about their capabilities, does not make you a Darwin or an Einstein. It doesn't even make you a Jimmy Carter (an underrated President in my opinion).

Once all the dust has settled, I expect Musk's story to be a cautionary tale and not an inspiration.

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Blocking those who want to give the general public up to-the-minute location information on him and his family is "silencing his critics?" Nothing could be further from the truth. You have no fundamental right to track Elon Musk, just like I would have no fundamental right to track the whereabouts of you and your family. Disagree? When do you let us attach a tracking device to your conveyance? Few, if any, would be c…

> You have no fundamental right to track Elon Musk, just like I would have no fundamental right to track the whereabouts of you and your family. Disagree? When do you let us attach a tracking device to your conveyance? Nobody's tracking Musk, they're tracking his plane. Further, "they" aren't tracking it, the gov is, and publishing it, as public information. Everyone lets the same tracker be attached to their conveya…

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Elon is certainly awful for all that he’s doing, but couldn’t Twitter have simply told him to buzz off when he proposed buying the company instead of taking legal action to ensure he did it? People up top were eager to cash out at the expense of all the employees under them. That’s equally disgusting to me.

The shareholders voted for it. The board effectively had to comply.

Not really, at least not within a reasonable amount of time to close the deal. Lots of Levine about how Musk couldn't really force the deal with a tender offer, right?

But, I mean, the board did the right thing; their obligation is to the shareholders, and the price Musk offered was absurdly high.

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If they don't share the conformist, leftist authoritarian views of the HN crowd, then it is legal to do anything to them and they're probably transphobic.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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It's interesting that many are debating the value of this 'rule', when this action is blatant abuse of his powers to silence his critics. He has now a lengthy and growing history of this type of behavior, so it was 100% foreseeable. He could just come out and say that its his twitter and he can do what he wants, but no, because he also wants to be seen as a 'defender of free speech'. He acts like a-hole, but then exp…

> He acts like a-hole, but then expects unquestioning adoration. Very typical narcissistic personality disorder symptoms. Narcissists are made not born, by other narcissists, thru treatment that is dehumanizing and inhumane from a very young age. We should give him our compassion and empathy, but not allow him any power. Power in the hands of a narcissist is dangerous, as the orange man showed us.

The mayo clinic states:

> Causes It's not known what causes narcissistic personality disorder. The cause is likely complex. Narcissistic personality disorder may be linked to:

> Environment — parent-child relationships with either too much adoration or too much criticism that don't match the child's actual experiences and achievements. > Genetics — inherited characteristics, such as certain personality traits. > Neurobiology — the connection between the brain and behavior and thinking.

There could be a relationship between neglectful parenting and narcissistic personality disorder, but I definitely agree with the other person who replied to you — at the very least, it’s disingenuous and misleading to present the cause concretely and unambiguously as “bad parenting”. We really know so little about most mental health conditions.

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> It seems like a good rule, I don't know - it doesn't seem consistently applied Donie O’Sullivan published a tweet containing a statement from the LAPD and was banned; and personally I don't see it being upheld once Elon's fixation on this story wanes. Furthermore, it just seems that Elon is doing what he accused Twitter of doing for so long; enacting arbitrary rules to silence political opponents. It's his site and…

>Furthermore, it just seems that Elon is doing what he accused Twitter of doing for so long; Well, what Twitter was doing

Was it capriciously banning journalists that said anything the CEO found offensive? That’s what he’s doing, and I really, really don’t think that’s what twitter was doing.

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Someone posted yesterday that the beginning of Musk's Twitter buy happened shortly after elonjet refused his $5000 offer to buy the account. The rational part of me says he surely couldn't have spent $45 billion dollars to shut the account down, but it's kinda feeling more and more true as the story continues. It's like this is the 21st century version of the San Francisco story where Yung refused to sell their house…

Could have offered the guy $5 million with a non-disclosure cemented. Musk would have tens of billions more right now, especially with the now crashing Tesla stock. Penny wise and pound foolish.

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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Its frustrating because my immediate response to people like Musk in my day to day life is to ignore them at all costs. This is a largely successful strategy in person. My strategy collapses however when the belligerent is able to buy a whole platform and then become a perpetual victim on that platform. Worse, mastodon has fallen short for me as an escape hatch. The activity just isn't there.

If twitter is this important to your life, take time in this holiday to reflect on that
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