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Post by skippyboxedhero »

freemanofthewan wrote: post #153
skippyboxedhero wrote: post #124

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They make doc martens in China now. I imagine the 8-year old who made your shoes was a master craftsman, however...they start them young. The original factory still makes boots, they aren't quite as "cool" though. The people at your Communist reading group might not even heard of the brand.

Care to enlighten us as to who is now operating the original factory producing less “cool” boots? RedWing has started outsourcing to Cambodia and the quality has dropped significantly. I have been searching for a replacement. White’s are all I have found.

Solovair. The original Dr Martens was actually made out of parts of Solovair shoes.

Btw, there are still a lot of manufacturers operating out of this region of Britain: Barker, Church's, Cheany, Edward Green...some of these are way too expensive, they are often handmade (and tbh, probably not worth it)...but there are options.

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Post by ghaff »

hcknwscommenter wrote: post #126
belfalas wrote: post #100

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In many ways the article feels like it's documenting kids with the freedom to have an opinion. Looking at the pictures in the article, it feels like a pretty uniform demographic. And in New York City, no less. Also, they idolize Chris McCandless - he was also a child of privilege who wanted to reject society. Chris didn't have to die but he did because he went up to Alaska woefully unprepared. That doesn't make his d…

I think the Krakauer book does a great job of describing the nuances of McCandless's level of preparedness. Of course maybe the author has a bias, but it certainly doesn't seem that way to me. McCandless was fairly unlucky despite having done quite a bit to prepare and try to ensure success. He ate a plant that was categorized as edible in a respected source book, but the actual part that he ate (in the season that h…

Without commenting on McCandless in particular, pretty much every mountaineering accident report as well points out things that, had they been done differently, would have led to a better outcome. This becomes less true as you know you're going to be pushing limits if you go to climb K2. But lack of preparation or just shouldn't have gone out that day are pretty common themes.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

djaouen wrote: post #139

This is a unique form of privilege. Most people don’t have the choice to “disconnect”. It’s engage or die. Not that I think technology is the be all and end all, but I think we are lucky if we are in the position to be able to shun it. That’s all I am saying. Edit: OK, I am probably wrong about this. Sorry for the stupid opinion :(

> This is a unique form of privilege. Most people don’t have the choice to “disconnect”.

Not seeing it myself. Where's the not having the choice to disconnect? You just have a flip phone. People can still call and text you.

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

pessimizer wrote: post #98
rootusrootus wrote: post #75

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The next step after this epiphany is to realize you can do this without actually giving up the phone. Just because it's in your pocket doesn't mean you need to pull it out constantly and look at it. It's just a tool, relegate it to that position in your life and don't use it like a pacifier.

That's not realistic. The phone is calling out, begging you to pay attention to it, and makes itself more difficult to use the less you want to be entangled. You just have to put it away. If it's a tool, treat it like a tool. You don't carry a hammer in your pocket all day.

Turn off notifications, put it on do not disturb mode, whatever.

And many people do carry a pocket knife or multitool in their pocket all day.

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Post by floppydiskette »

djaouen wrote: post #167
floppydiskette wrote: post #163

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

It just seems like a bit of an exaggeration. If they weren’t using the internet or phones in any sense I might understand, but not having social media or 24/7 access to it does not seem like an absolute prerequisite or something only “privileged people” could get away with.

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Post by subpixel »

sequoia wrote: post #41

This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

Carhartt isn't unsusual at all, it's trendy and has been adopted as streetwear.

And I think you're overthinking the performative aspect, it's bog standard teenage behavior that diminishes over time but persists forever. Every branded piece of apparel, every vanity plate, all interior decorating are in the same performative vein.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

djaouen wrote: post #167
floppydiskette wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

I would suggest a lack of social media presence is better when applying for jobs than having a potentially problematic social media presence. I have long considered giving my potential future children "unsearchable names" so if anyone puts "jack smith" into Google they are unable to get any accurate hits by which to judge them on.

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Post by tryauuum »

djaouen wrote: post #167
floppydiskette wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

Hmmm... Applying for a job with no social media should be easy, just send a CV to email. However finding a job without using social media is harder.

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Post by agentwiggles »

dieselgate wrote: post #45
sequoia wrote: post #41

This is interesting but I can't help but notice how intensely performative these kids are as well, at least how they're characterized in this article. They're wearing Carhartt (an unusual choice for a metropolis like NYC), reading Dostoyevski and gathering to "listen to the wind." I will say most teens are like this and I certainly was myself, but I hope they are careful not to cultivate their own "artisan" brand of…

Does one always risk a bit of "pretentiousness" if they act/live contrary to the "main stream"? Just by having a flip phone, for example, someone will be called a "hipster" or whatever name. It's like a group social phenomena or something - just by being vegetarian (or being more "pretentious" by being vegan) people experience this sort of stuff

"Flipsters", perhaps :)

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Post by wyldfire »

djaouen wrote: post #167
floppydiskette wrote: post #163

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How is it engage or die?

Imagine, for example, applying for a job with no social media presence. OK, maybe “engage or die” is not the right phrase, but you get the gist of what I’m saying.

I can imagine - because I did it about six years ago. And since then I've hired some team members who may or may not have had social media presence but I sincerely doubt that their presence or absence had any impact on being hired. And the same with the candidates not hired -- I don't think it came up at all.
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