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Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by ar_lan »

jcdentonunatco wrote: post #550
p-e-w wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. It's really only when you compare it with Atom that you realize how great it is. Atom was built by incredibly smart people, who had full control over the platform and several years of head start, and they were still out-engineered by the VSCode team at every turn. VSCode did almost everything right: The choice of TypeScript as the base language (with wh…

VS Code is massively inferior to Visual Studio. It’s a gloried text editor. Nobody writes large software projects on VSCode

I'm not a big fan of VSCode, but this is objectively untrue.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by jcdentonunatco »

ar_lan wrote: post #551
jcdentonunatco wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS Code is massively inferior to Visual Studio. It’s a gloried text editor. Nobody writes large software projects on VSCode

I'm not a big fan of VSCode, but this is objectively untrue.

No it’s not. Visual Studio is a proper IDE. VSCode is not. VSCode has a very small subset of the features Visual Studio has

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by johnfn »

btown wrote: post #517
p-e-w wrote: post #452

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Could you elaborate on what exactly you find "sad" about it?

Something that immediately comes to mind is https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11#readme . Of course, this is an earlier generation. But if the commenter is correct that VS Code is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time, then what the heck are we doing. And if the commenter is incorrect, then what the heck are we doing as a community in our duty to educate to the extent that the commenter doesn't re…

I think the point here is that there are two ways to measure impact. One is just a raw "how impressive is this code" score. In that case, self-landing rockets, self driving trucks, etc, all score much higher than VSCode.

On the other hand, an equally valid measure of impact is utility * number of people. While things like self-driving trucks are extremely cool, as of today their overall impact is quite small. VSCode impacts an enormous amount of people every single day and saves them a ton of time.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by Kamq »

JonathonW wrote: post #106
thallada wrote: post #97

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You can run vim and emacs in a gui app. I run neovim in neovide which imo is the best experience for vim these days. Vim's builtin terminal is good enough now that you can ditch running it inside tmux/terminal.

Vim and emacs do not adhere to platform conventions anywhere, unless your platform happens to be "emacs".

Do you know any platforms that adhere to vim/emacs conventions?

Because that sounds way better than any of the options I'm aware of.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by bena »

p-e-w wrote: post #452
steve1977 wrote: post #141

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> VSCode is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time. That must be one of the saddest things I read this month.

Could you elaborate on what exactly you find "sad" about it?

Visual Studio is right there. A lot of the features you love about VSCode are present in Visual Studio. But Visual Studio is a much more robust piece of software.

So while VSCode is nice, it's not even the most impressive piece of software bearing the Visual Studio branding.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by bena »

danwee wrote: post #311
dcchambers wrote: post #25

I resisted switching to VS Code for a long time because I far preferred the UX and design of Atom, but I eventually caved not because of performance gains I wanted in VS Code (honestly I found Atom plenty fast for the work I was doing), but because many Atom extensions were left to rot and slowly broke over time as most maintainers moved to VSCode extensions. Farewell friend, you will be missed.

I cannot stand VSCode UX/UI. Not sure how this is not an issue for everyone. Maybe I'm just too picky. For this kind of things I don't use VSCode: - The right side bar is "dynamic". Most of the time it's the Explorer showing the directories and files, but when I try to search for something, though, it becomes the Search sidebar. Same for all the potential sidebars (Source Control, Run and Debug, etc.) - Everything is…

On "No floating windows". I'm with you.

I've gotten used to Visual Studio, where I can grab a tab and pull it out of the window to make it its own window. If you try that in VSCode, it'll just drop the file on the Desktop.

To get something similar in VSCode, I have to open a new window, drag the file over, then close it in the original window.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by btown »

johnfn wrote: post #553
btown wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something that immediately comes to mind is https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11#readme . Of course, this is an earlier generation. But if the commenter is correct that VS Code is one of the greatest pieces of engineering of our time, then what the heck are we doing. And if the commenter is incorrect, then what the heck are we doing as a community in our duty to educate to the extent that the commenter doesn't re…

I think the point here is that there are two ways to measure impact. One is just a raw "how impressive is this code" score. In that case, self-landing rockets, self driving trucks, etc, all score much higher than VSCode. On the other hand, an equally valid measure of impact is utility * number of people. While things like self-driving trucks are extremely cool, as of today their overall impact is quite small. VSCode…

Well put. Though by that second metric, I'm not sure that the marginal utility of VSCode, relative to a world where Atom existed and was equally free and accessible, would place it in the highest echelon of widespread-utility-creating engineering marvels.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by m000 »

bearon wrote: post #36

Make no mistake... This project, Atom. Provided the runway that others copied, then improved upon (and on and on... with plenty of funding). Atom provided the seed, excitement and vision for what is possible on this platform, and should be proud of that fact.

> Atom provided the seed, excitement and vision for what is possible on this platform, and should be proud of that fact.

Atom provided the seed, excitement and vision for bloated Electron apps, and shouldn't be very proud of that fact.

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by blablabla123 »

VSCode might be better feature-wise than Atom but I'd choose Atom any time of the day over VSCode if it was still maintained. Just considering CVEs popping up every now and then. Also I found the UX getting slightly less in the way. Otherwise Sublime is my go to "normal" editor but it's not really free...

Re: Atom was archived today

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Post by NateEag »

fastball wrote: post #109
JonathonW wrote: post #90

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"VSCode is the greatest productivity tool in the history of software engineering" in a world where vi and emacs exist seems like a bit of an exaggeration, and I'm not even a fan of either (VS Code is my daily driver; I like my GUI editors and I like them to behave like normal apps on the platform I'm running).

How many daily users do vim and emacs have? How many daily users does VSCode have?

The closest thing I know to an actual source for this is the StackOverflow developer survey.

2022 edition says 74% of respondents use VSCode regularly, 23% use Vim regularly, and 4% use Emacs regularly.

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2022/#section-most-popular-t...

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