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Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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I guess it's fortunate that we have almost three years' worth of data conclusively establishing this fact, then! https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/...

A survey essentially asking people "do you have long covid?" isn't extraordinary evidence. Could be a simple case of psychogenesis[0] like has been common during any mass illness event historically. The demographic info in your link seems to indicate that is a possibility. With 25 percent of the population apparently having this disease it's not a hard one to study experimentally. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Except that we have all kinds of other indicators of this phenomenon as well.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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You are so astoundingly wrong that I'm just glad people like you get coerced into getting vaccinated so society doesn't have to live your terrible risk assessments.

What is your back of the envelope math here? Clearly, the vaccine does not prevent infection. There is no evidence it reduces the incidence of harmful sequelae following infection. So how does this add up to support mandatory vaccination for young men?

There are tons of papers showing the exact opposite of what you said if actually cared to look.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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What most of you still supporting "vaccine" failed to understand is that a jab cannot be developed in less that 1 year. It was a huge experiment and many people paid with either their lives or have suffered severe damage. All for a virus that kill less that common influenza, which a much more dangerous corona virus than covid.

Actually, the vaccine was developed relatively quickly. The testing and ramp-up is what took the vast majority of time.

You're sort of following the pre operation warp speed statements that the press and "experts" were spouting before they actually did it.

But now there are vaccines for covid that are made in the standard fashion. It took them longer to get out of the gate, but they're around. Not sure if they're in the US, though.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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What is your back of the envelope math here? Clearly, the vaccine does not prevent infection. There is no evidence it reduces the incidence of harmful sequelae following infection. So how does this add up to support mandatory vaccination for young men?

There are tons of papers showing the exact opposite of what you said if actually cared to look.

Going to be a little hard to credibly show the vaccine protects against infection when everyone is getting infected.

Knowing whether someone is vaccinated against COVID is not going to help you predict whether they have been or will be infected. Knowing whether someone had the smallpox vaccine is going to help you predict whether they had been or would become infected. See the difference?

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Um, obesity is an individual issue (at least at the current levels of hospital load associated with it) so your insurance and bills go up. Unprotected sex has two people involved and can be assault (if not agreed to) and if done by someone who knows they are HIV positive and infects another who dies... manslaughter.

But we've shown that the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission, so not getting it is an individual issue ...

So you filling up ICUs where there's no room for people who bothered to help their fellow citizens with heart attacks, car crashes, or cancer treatment is transmission? That is a different definition of transmission than I am aware of.

Can you please provide a dictionary or other reference?

In case you were wondering when ICUs were full of respiratory diseases, that would be last week.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Okay, please explain my leap in logic: - I was curious - I went to OECD to get datasets for COVID, excess, and all mortality [1] - I subtracted COVID deaths from excess deaths to get “likely non-COVID excess deaths” - then I made a chart [2], showing the ratio of COVID to non-COVID; log-2 scale with a black line at zero (equal COVID and non-COVID) - I expected mostly COVID excess, like during the delta wave near the…

Ok, let's see. Your graph does clearly have a peak at the 2020/2021 boundary, that falls down after the vaccines got widespread, by the middle of 2021 (with most countries going into negative excess deaths). There is another, smaller peak at the end of 2021, that's when omicron got widespread. What exactly were you expecting to see?

This chart isn’t absolute death: it’s the ratio of two causes of death.

You’re not seeing countries go into negative excess in 2021 and 2022 — you’re seeing non-COVID excess surge.

I was expecting during the omicron wave that we had more than two COVID deaths compared to non-COVID excess deaths — and that more broadly, we’d see more COVID than other excess death

What we see instead is that during the height of omicron, 33% of the excess death was non-COVID — and that for most of 2021 and 2022, 66% of the excess death was non-COVID.

What has been killing as many people as a global pandemic? — and if there’s so many non-COVID excess deaths, did our policies help?

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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I don't know what stupid assumptions you're making, so I'll fill you in: The Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare has been producing thorough public statistics over the situation in Sweden ever since the COVID outbreak began. The statistics are accumulated on a weekly basis and cover the number of confirmed infections, number of mild and severe hospitalizations, and the number of deaths. All of it is broken d…

> number of mild and severe hospitalizations And what about those?

Today the accumulated statistics for the same period states this:

  Total number of hospitalizations, age group 40-49: 4281
  ...of which had one or more prior health problems: 65.5%

  Total deaths, age group 0-49 (reported as "below 50"): 121
  ...of which had one or more prior health problems: 85%
Just winging it for healthy adults in age group 40-49: 1050 hospitalizations, fewer than 19 deaths.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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A question for vaccine skeptics: For it to be a reasonable choice to not want to take the vaccine wouldn't you need to balance the risk of death / complications from the vaccine against the risk of death / complications from covid multiplied by the risk of getting covid? There seems to be a lot of "aha I knew it" whenever any side-effect of the vaccine is found, but aren't the side-effects of covid well established,…

control group here: I'm doing fine, and have been doing fine all along, just like every single other person I know who is also in the control group. I'm profoundly uninterested in publicly debating my internal decision-making process. though I am interested in hearing from anyone else in the control group to see how they're doing.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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Ok, let's see. Your graph does clearly have a peak at the 2020/2021 boundary, that falls down after the vaccines got widespread, by the middle of 2021 (with most countries going into negative excess deaths). There is another, smaller peak at the end of 2021, that's when omicron got widespread. What exactly were you expecting to see?

This chart isn’t absolute death: it’s the ratio of two causes of death. You’re not seeing countries go into negative excess in 2021 and 2022 — you’re seeing non-COVID excess surge. I was expecting during the omicron wave that we had more than two COVID deaths compared to non-COVID excess deaths — and that more broadly, we’d see more COVID than other excess death What we see instead is that during the height of omicro…

When that ratio turns negative, it literally means that there has been negative excess deaths when compared to the average. You can claim that the average is abnormally high, but that's quite a wild claim.

Negative excess deaths through the pandemics were pretty common and very well explained.

Anyway, such concepts like "non-COVID excess" doesn't even start to make sense. Either you are determining the death causes, or you are doing statistical analysis over unknown causes.

Re: Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination

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You might not like that the exemption exists, but it's legal in the USA. Would you rather that religious beliefs were not respected by the government?

I'd prefer that we not all pretend that 2000-year-old religions somehow magically dictated that vaccines were bad. They obviously didn't. These obviously are not legitimate "religious" beliefs. Religion is transparently being used as a cloak for political beliefs fueled by misinformation. Taking covid-related "religious" beliefs seriously only undercuts societal respect for actual religious belief.

In regards to how religious beliefs are treated in the USA, it's not restricted to the major religions of the world. Someone's communication to their God does not require a many thousand year lineage, it doesn't even need to be able to be communicated in a comprehensible language to others.

It may be that some people aren't professing sincerely held religious beliefs, but if they say they do then as the law is written then it must be respected by their employer. The employer is able to ask some clarifying questions about the religious belief and they only have to provide what would be considered a reasonable accommodation.

The law can certainly be changed but besides the difficulty of the process the implications of allowing the government to gain additional control over what is an acceptable religion sounds like a great way to lead to additional religious pogroms.

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