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Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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Earlier this year, graphic designers, last month it was software engineers, and now musicians are also feeling the effects. Who else will AI make looking for a new job?

This was the first AI thing to fill me with a feeling of existential dread.

What is with the hyperbole in this thread? This stuff sounds like incoherent noise. It is noticeably worse than AI audio stuff I heard 5 years ago. What is going on with the responses here?

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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This really is unreasonably effective. Spectrograms are a lot less forgiving of minor errors than a painting. Move a brush stroke up or down a few pixels, you probably won't notice. Move a spectral element up or down a bit and you have a completely different sound. I don't understand how this can possibly be precise enough to generate anything close to a cohesive output. Absolutely blows my mind.

It's...not effective though. Am I listening to the wrong thing here? Everything I hear from the web app is jumbled nonsense.

I think the progression from church bells to electronic beats is especially good: https://www.riffusion.com/about/church_bells_to_electronic_b...

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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I bet a cool riff on this would be to simply sample an ambient microphone in the workplace and use that the generate and slowly introduce matching background music that fits the current tenor of the environment. Done slowly and subtly enough I'd bet the listener may not even be entirely aware its happening. If we could measure certain kinds of productivity it might even be useful as a way to "extend" certain highly p…

Reactive generative music would so cool

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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This is a genius idea. Using an already-existing and well-performing image model, and just encoding input/output as a spectrogram... It's elegant, it's obvious in retrospective, it's just pure genius. I can't wait to hear some serious AI music-making a few years from now.

As someone who loves making music and loves listening to music made by other humans with intention, it just makes me sad.

Sure, AI can do lots of things well. But would you rather live in a world where humans get to do things they love (and are able to afford a comfortable life while doing so) or a world where machines do the things humans love and humans are relegated to the remaining tasks that machines happened to be poorly suited for?

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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I can simultaneously burst a bubble and provide fuel for more -- the alignment of the intrinsic manifolds of different domains has been an interesting research topic for zero shot research for a few years. I remember seeing at CVPR 2018 the first zero shot...classifier, I think? That if I recall correctly trained in two domains that were automatically basically aligned with each other enough to provide very good zero…

My characterization of it as a Deep Truth might just be a reflection of my ignorance of the current state of the art in AI. But it's still pretty frickin' cool nonetheless.

Alright so this is a pretty amazing new development. I want to tell you something about what the state of the art is in AI. When you wrote that it is a deep truth it was before I actually listened to the pieces. I had just read the descriptions. At the time, I thought that you were probably right because I was thinking that music is only pleasing because of the structure of our brains it's not like vision where originally we are interpreting the world and that's where art comes from. Music is purely sort of abstract or artistic. However, after I listened to the pieces, I realised that they really sound exactly like the instruments that are making the physical noises. For example it really sounds exactly like a physical piano. So I don't know about a deep truth, but it does seem that there is a physical sense that the music represents which it can successfully mimic using this essentially image generating capability. One thing about all of these amazing AI development, is that I still make some long comments by dictating to Google. When it first got to the point that it was able to catch almost everything that I was saying I was absolutely blown away. However, it's really not that good at taking dictation, and I have to go back and replace each and every individual comma and period with the corresponding punctuation mark. Seeing such an amazing developments happening month after month year after year it makes me feel like we are really approaching what some people have called the singularity. When I read about a net positive fusion being announced my first instinct was to think oh of course it's now that that ChatGPT is available of course announcing a major fusion breakthrough would happen within days to weeks it just makes perfect sense that AI's can solve problems that have have confounded scientists for decades. To see just how far we still have to go take a look at how this comment read before I manually corrected it to what I had actually said.

-- [I copied and pasted the below to the above and then corrected it. Below is the original version. This is how I dictate to Google sometimes, on Android. Normally I would have further edited the above but in this case I wanted to show how far basic things like dictation still have to go. By the way I dictated in a completely quiet room. I can't wait for more advanced AI like ChatGPT to take my dictation.]

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Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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Super! Makes sense since Skydio is also amazing. How much data is used for fine tuning? Since spectrograms are (surely?) very out of distribution for the pre training dataset, how much does value does the pre training really bring?

To be honest, we're not sure how much value image pre training brings. We have not tried to train from scratch, but it would be interesting. One thing that's very important though is the language pre-training. The model is able to do some amazing stuff with terms that do not appear in our data set at all. It does this by associating with related words that do appear in the dataset.

You can embed images in spectrograms.. might sound weird though

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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Other author here! This got a posted a little earlier than we intended so we didn't have our GPUs scaled up yet. Please hang on and try throughout the day! Meanwhile, please read our about page http://riffusion.com/about It’s all open source and the code lives at https://github.com/hmartiro/riffusion-app --> if you have a GPU you can run it yourself This has been our hobby project for the past few months. Seeing the…

As one of the meatsacks whose job you're about to kill... eh, I got nothin, it's damn impressive. It's gonna hit electronic music like a nuclear bomb, I'd wager.

As a listener, I think you're probably still safe. Can you use this to help you though? Maybe.

It's impressive what it produces, but I think it probably lacks substance in the same way the visual AI art stuff does. For the most part, it passes what I call the at-a-glanceness test. It's little better than apophenia (the same thing that makes you see shapes in clouds, faces in rocks, or think you've recognised a familiar word in a foreign language; the last one can happen more often though).

So, I think these tools will be used to do background work (ie for visuals maybe help with background tasks in CGI or faraway textures in games). I know less about audio, but I assume it could maybe help a DJ create a transition between two segments they want to combine, as opposed make the whole composition for them, but idk if that example makes sense.

Now, onto a more human point: I think that people often listen to music because it means something to them. Similar for people who appreciate visual art.

I also love interactive and light art, and I love talking to other artists at light festivals who make them because of the stories and journeys behind their art too. Humans and art are a package deal, IMO.

Edit: typos and to add: Also, I think prompt authorship is an art unto itself. I'm amazed what people can craft with it, but I'm more impressed by the craft itself than the outputs. Don't get me wrong, the outputs are darn cool, but not if you look closer. And it's impossible to look beneath the surface altogether, as there is nothing in the output but the pixels.

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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Other author here! This got a posted a little earlier than we intended so we didn't have our GPUs scaled up yet. Please hang on and try throughout the day! Meanwhile, please read our about page http://riffusion.com/about It’s all open source and the code lives at https://github.com/hmartiro/riffusion-app --> if you have a GPU you can run it yourself This has been our hobby project for the past few months. Seeing the…

As one of the meatsacks whose job you're about to kill... eh, I got nothin, it's damn impressive. It's gonna hit electronic music like a nuclear bomb, I'd wager.

I love simple generative approaches to get ideas, and go from there. This seems like an extension of that (well, it's what I'm going to try - sample the output, make stems, pull MIDI etc). Will make the creative process more interesting for me, not less.

Having said that, it's not my job, and I can see where the issues lay there.

Re: Riffusion – Stable Diffusion fine-tuned to generate music

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As one of the meatsacks whose job you're about to kill... eh, I got nothin, it's damn impressive. It's gonna hit electronic music like a nuclear bomb, I'd wager.

As a listener, I think you're probably still safe. Can you use this to help you though? Maybe. It's impressive what it produces, but I think it probably lacks substance in the same way the visual AI art stuff does. For the most part, it passes what I call the at-a-glanceness test. It's little better than apophenia (the same thing that makes you see shapes in clouds, faces in rocks, or think you've recognised a famili…

In general all this stuff is chopping the bottom off the market. AI art, code, writing, music, etc. can all generate passable "filler" content, which will decimate all human employment generating same.

I don't think this stuff is a threat to genuinely innovative, thoughtful, meaningful work, but that's the top of the market.

That being said the bottom of the market is how a lot of artists make their living, so this is going to deeply impact all forms of art as a profession. It might soon impact programming too because while GPT-type systems can't do advanced high level reasoning they will chop the bottom off the market and create a glut of employees that will drive wages down across the board.

Basic income or revolution. That's going to be our choice.

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