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Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by julianlam »

nicolas314 wrote: post #84
geek_at wrote: post #78

Can you finally resize windows with a larger grab area than 1pixel? That drove me nuts

Try Alt+RightClick and drag. Not so easy on a trackpad but fine with mouse.

That's fine and all (I make heavy use of this — always miss it on Windows), but it's a workaround to a legitimately inferior UX decision.

It's similar to when early Dell XPS's would overheat when gaming with the monitor open, because the monitor itself would block the sole exhaust vent. The workaround then was to attach an external monitor and keep the laptop screen at 45 degrees.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by mpol »

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

I am happy they decided to spend their time first on supporting GTK v3. GTK v2 is disappearing from distro's and the situation was getting urgent. This happened on 4.16 and I suppose a lot more small work for it happened in 4.18.

I am also happy they decided to release more often, allthough once a year turned out to be too short. Supporting applications on Wayland is already a great step. How they decide to build their Wayland compositor is not fully clear, I think it is wise they take the time for that, to build something that they can support and maintain for years to come with a small team of people.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by Koshkin »

General population needs a "desktop," I get it. But for those comfortable with the CLI, a window manager (e.g., one that does not suck [0]) should be good enough. (Coming from personal experience - used Gnome/KDE/XFCE, enjoyed them all, in the end went back to a blissful world of MWM.)

[0] http://dwm.suckless.org/

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

biggunz wrote: post #18

I loved XFCE4 for probably a decade, but the constant CPU usage bugs made me switch to KDE Plasma, havent looked back.

Er. Don't get me wrong, I like KDE and I like XFCE, but if you're hitting fewer bugs in KDE than XFCE then the least I can say is that your experience is very different from mine. That goes double for resource use, where KDE has made massive improvements but last I looked their file indexer was still a huge resource hog.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by clircle »

Koshkin wrote: post #93

General population needs a "desktop," I get it. But for those comfortable with the CLI, a window manager (e.g., one that does not suck [0]) should be good enough. (Coming from personal experience - used Gnome/KDE/XFCE, enjoyed them all, in the end went back to a blissful world of MWM.) [0] http://dwm.suckless.org/

What does CLI have to do with tiling windows?

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by HeckFeck »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #90
HeckFeck wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No thumbnail images. It is a meme for good reason. Really annoying after how many years waiting? Low on details, extremely limited customisation options. When I begin typing a file name to save a file, it interprets this as a desire to filter the contents of the file list. The aforementioned lack of any path or way to type in the full path to a location. There were more but thankfully I don't see it as often since I…

So the reason it's broken, is that it doesn't do all the annoying things that make the file picker in Windows 98 broken? Granted I've never used Windows 98 so I don't know what I'd compare it with but all those misfeatures sound annoying.

I think you've read me wrongly. All that I described above are problems in the GTK3 file picker that aren't problems in the Windows 98 file picker.

See the linked web page for a screenshot of the W98 picker for a visual aid.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by codeulike »

Weird that the page neglects to explain what xfce is, even by hyperlink

After several clicks:

Xfce is a lightweight desktop environment for UNIX-like operating systems. It aims to be fast and low on system resources, while still being visually appealing and user friendly.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by Scramblejams »

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

I see a lot of pushback here but I'll mention why I'm eager for my DE of choice to get Wayland support: Gaming under Xorg with multi-monitors can get very hitchy/teary, and Wayland is focused on smooth frame delivery.

Details if anyone wants it: The game itself may only be running on one monitor, but it doesn't matter, if I have multi monitors active it'll hitch. You can apparently mitigate this somewhat by making sure all your monitors are running the exact same frame rate, but two of my monitors run 59.95Hz while the third runs 59.92Hz, that's not close enough, and I can't seem to get them to something common like 59.00 Hz. I tried disabling two monitors while playing on the third, and it's better, but still far from perfect.

I tried a very recent KDE on Wayland and while gaming felt smooth, its multi-monitor support is very buggy right now -- actually the whole DE felt really buggy -- so that's out.

I really wish gamescope could be run on top of Xorg and the game could 'just' run in that...

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by gfaster »

friendlyHornet wrote: post #65
coldpie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It just gets out of my way and lets me do stuff! Ahh, but think of the value our users would get out of us presenting them with Amazon ads in their DE!

> Ahh, but think of the value our users would get out of us presenting them with Amazon ads in their DE What? Is this in regards to what Cannonical did back in 2013 or something else? If it is about the Cannonical scandal, I am not sure how that's related to DEs, since it was Ubuntu doing it Or did something similar happen again with a specific DE?

Well, Canonical did put ads in apt[1]

[1]: https://askubuntu.com/q/1434512

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by gattilorenz »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #9
coldpie wrote: post #3

Awesome. Been using XFCE for ages. It hits just the right spot of modern features and usability without trying to re-invent the desktop paradigm for the Nth time. If you just want "Win98, but in 2022," you've found your desktop environment. WRT this update, the Thunar updates look fantastic. The File Highlight feature looks especially cool. I can imagine using that to highlight really frequently used folders in my ho…

> If you just want "Win98, but in 2022," you've found your desktop environment. If you want Windows 95 in 2022: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

> If you want Windows 95 in 2022

Indeed the metaphor is apt: font/positioning problems that still can plague Linux in 2022, but didn’t appear as much in Windows in 1995 :^)

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