XFCE 4.18

#1

Post by severine » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:17 PM UTC

XFCE 4.18
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Re: XFCE 4.18

#2

Post by bgorman » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:36 PM UTC

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

Re: XFCE 4.18

#3

Post by coldpie » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

Awesome. Been using XFCE for ages. It hits just the right spot of modern features and usability without trying to re-invent the desktop paradigm for the Nth time. If you just want "Win98, but in 2022," you've found your desktop environment.

WRT this update, the Thunar updates look fantastic. The File Highlight feature looks especially cool. I can imagine using that to highlight really frequently used folders in my home dir ("projects" folder etc) to make them stand out in the file browser. Customizing the toolbar buttons is a welcome feature. I'm also glad to see improvements on the default application feature, which I found difficult to use before.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by otikik » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:47 PM UTC

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

> Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

It might be that they are not interested on "Market share". Or they are but not enough to justify the work. I'm sure they would be glad to accept a pull request.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by sph » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:48 PM UTC

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

I would love to try XFCE on Wayland. I used to love that DE, but I haven't been able to stand uncomposited Xorg in a decade (running xcompmgr is not good enough).

Are there concrete plans to migrate to wayland?

EDIT: of course you're getting downvoted because you dared utter the W-word. Come on people, this is not Reddit.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by coldpie » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:52 PM UTC

sph wrote: post #5

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

I would love to try XFCE on Wayland. I used to love that DE, but I haven't been able to stand uncomposited Xorg in a decade (running xcompmgr is not good enough). Are there concrete plans to migrate to wayland? EDIT: of course you're getting downvoted because you dared utter the W-word. Come on people, this is not Reddit.

> Are there concrete plans to migrate to wayland?

Yes, of course. Two minutes of searching would have led you here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap Come on, sph, this is not Reddit.

> of course you're getting downvoted because you dared utter the W-word. Come on people, this is not Reddit.

I downvoted them because I think it's rude to complain about how others choose to spend their time contributing to open source projects.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by oblio » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:53 PM UTC

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

If you view Xfce as the hobby project for several undergrad and grad students, you will understand their priorities better.

Re: XFCE 4.18

#8

Post by Nursie » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:54 PM UTC

Nice, and congrats to the team that have worked on this!

I look forward to this rolling on through to debian in the coming weeks and months. HiDPI improvements are welcome, and the other tweaks and updates look good. Xfce has been my daily driver for over ten years now (I think...), and I hope that it's unopinionated, configurable attitude has a lot of life in it yet.

Re: XFCE 4.18

#9

Post by theandrewbailey » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

coldpie wrote: post #3

Awesome. Been using XFCE for ages. It hits just the right spot of modern features and usability without trying to re-invent the desktop paradigm for the Nth time. If you just want "Win98, but in 2022," you've found your desktop environment. WRT this update, the Thunar updates look fantastic. The File Highlight feature looks especially cool. I can imagine using that to highlight really frequently used folders in my ho…

> If you just want "Win98, but in 2022," you've found your desktop environment.

If you want Windows 95 in 2022: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by josteink » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:55 PM UTC

bgorman wrote: post #2

XFCE should be spending all of its development efforts on supporting Wayland. The project's priorities are clearly not in the right place to ensure the future growth of the project. Market share will continue to decline until wayland support is added, no matter how great any new features are.

I don’t know. Wayland support is very important (tm) to us Wayland-users, but I don’t know how the rest of the world feels about that.

It could be like that whole kerning-thing which is super-mega important to some people, while the rest of the world don’t even notice?