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Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by Kukumber »

capableweb wrote: post #32
Kukumber wrote: post #23

It is in my favorite Desktop Environment I moved to XFCE when Canonical announced going back to Gnome 3 I wish they'd replace the Gnome filepicker too, that is the worst piece of garbage i ever seen, you can't even manually type a path!!

> I wish they'd replace the Gnome filepicker too, that is the worst piece of garbage i ever seen, you can't even manually type a path!! Don't have it in front of me right now, but can't you hit CTRL+L to bring up the "address bar" and manually write the path there? CTRL+L works in a lot of places to enter paths, from web browsers to local disk browsers.

Issues i have with the path bar (from the top of my head)

1. it is not permanent, it disappears and never remember anything

2. it doesn't respect the paths (can't navigate)

3. i don't want to play a keyboard shortcuts game

That's just one of the issues i have with the Gnome Filepicker, there is also the mounted disks that appears like it's a mobile UX, and many more, i have a document with everything that i hate about it, but i'm not on my PC to share it, it is an UX disaster

I wish i could use Thunar as a filepicker, that would be perfect

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

Nursie wrote: post #8

Nice, and congrats to the team that have worked on this! I look forward to this rolling on through to debian in the coming weeks and months. HiDPI improvements are welcome, and the other tweaks and updates look good. Xfce has been my daily driver for over ten years now (I think...), and I hope that it's unopinionated, configurable attitude has a lot of life in it yet.

I used to use XFCE as a desktop of choice, but switched to Plasma/KDE instead as XFCE didn't have great HiDPI support. Maybe I should try it out again.

Re: XFCE 4.18

#43

Post by capableweb »

Kukumber wrote: post #41
capableweb wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish they'd replace the Gnome filepicker too, that is the worst piece of garbage i ever seen, you can't even manually type a path!! Don't have it in front of me right now, but can't you hit CTRL+L to bring up the "address bar" and manually write the path there? CTRL+L works in a lot of places to enter paths, from web browsers to local disk browsers.

Issues i have with the path bar (from the top of my head) 1. it is not permanent, it disappears and never remember anything 2. it doesn't respect the paths (can't navigate) 3. i don't want to play a keyboard shortcuts game That's just one of the issues i have with the Gnome Filepicker, there is also the mounted disks that appears like it's a mobile UX, and many more, i have a document with everything that i hate abou…

> 1. it is not permanent, it disappears and never remember anything

What is it supposed to remember? Last path you opened? Seems to work fine for me in Firefox at least. First I tried uploading a image to imgur from my Downloads directory, then next time I wanted to select a picture it opened into the Downloads directory. Then I uploaded a image from my Pictures directory and next time it opened, it opened directly to the Pictures directory. Is this not what you mean?

> 2. it doesn't respect the paths (can't navigate)

Not sure what this means, if you type in /tmp and then Enter it'll navigate to /tmp just as you expect it to. If you're in /tmp/directory it shows "$DriveName / tmp / directory" and clicking on any of them navigates to the right place.

> 3. i don't want to play a keyboard shortcuts game

Why do you want to have a path bar that you type into then if you don't want to use the keyboard? Just manually double-click your way to success instead of using the keyboard, nothing is stopping you. Either use the keyboard, or don't. Both approaches work.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by severine »

Kukumber wrote: post #23

It is in my favorite Desktop Environment I moved to XFCE when Canonical announced going back to Gnome 3 I wish they'd replace the Gnome filepicker too, that is the worst piece of garbage i ever seen, you can't even manually type a path!!

https://feaneron.com/2022/12/14/the-burial-of-the-filechoose...

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by jasperry »

alxlaz wrote: post #38

Does anyone know of a good way to disable that braindead window fading "feature" in GTK? If you look at the changelog, the text in the inactive window is barely readable. I have to squint to read it on most monitors. Fading it is also unnecessary in most applications. Gnome apps need to do it because they have no titlebar, but this isn't a problem in most cases, and xfwm can draw titlebars just fine. I know I can man…

I think it's the compositor doing that. In XFCE, you can control that from the "Window Manager Tweaks" app, in the "compositor" tab.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by djbusby »

biggunz wrote: post #18

I loved XFCE4 for probably a decade, but the constant CPU usage bugs made me switch to KDE Plasma, havent looked back.

What bugs? I've used XFCE for 15+ years on desktop, laptop, Intel and AMD. Never seen this issue.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by izacus »

stevedonovan wrote: post #13
josteink wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know. Wayland support is very important (tm) to us Wayland-users, but I don’t know how the rest of the world feels about that. It could be like that whole kerning -thing which is super-mega important to some people, while the rest of the world don’t even notice?

I've honestly never noticed the problem, so I never saw the problem with X in the first place. (It is possible that I have never experienced a truly beautiful desktop, but my eyes are no longer particularly precise enough to operate at modern pixel densities)

The whole point of Wayland is that you don't need "precise enough eyes" to comfortably use modern pixel densities.

But for that you need a functional UI scaling system provided by the Waylands rework.

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

rwmj wrote: post #39
josteink wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know. Wayland support is very important (tm) to us Wayland-users, but I don’t know how the rest of the world feels about that. It could be like that whole kerning -thing which is super-mega important to some people, while the rest of the world don’t even notice?

People also complain loudly about Hi-DPI support and tearing with X. I've not noticed either of them being an issue ever. I can play videos fine and I can plug my laptop into a 55" TV, and it all just works (as far as I can tell) with plain old X11.

>People also complain loudly about Hi-DPI support and tearing with X. I've not noticed either of them being an issue ever.

Why wouldn't they complain for something that affects them? If you don't have any issues, that's great for you, but that doesn't help those who do in any way, so why do you downplay their issues?

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by KronisLV »

ufo wrote: post #25
dmm wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an enthusiastic XFCE user, do you mind answering a question? How do you usually launch applications? I can appreciate the discoverability provided by a nested start menu but I've grown very fond of text launchers with autocomplete provided by gnome, mac os, dmenu, etc.

Here's what I did back when I used XFCE a couple of years ago: The xfce whiskermenu plugin includes a text search feature that looks similar to the one from Windows. On Xubuntu the whiskermenu is the default "start menu" while in some other distros you may need to add it in the panel settings. Finally, in the keyboard shortcuts bind Super to the xfce4-popup-whiskermenu command, to bring up whisker menu for a text sea…

> Finally, in the keyboard shortcuts bind Super to the xfce4-popup-whiskermenu command, to bring up whisker menu for a text search.

I've had this trigger the popup menu when there is another shortcut that binds the Super key in combination with something else. Say, if I had something under Super+R, then the menu would also open. Though maybe this has been patched out in the newer versions, I remember that issue being the case in an XFCE desktop from 2020.

But other than that, this is indeed a really nice and usable setup!

Re: XFCE 4.18

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Post by jasperry »

Scanning through the feature list, the more straightforward management of the application/mime type associations is a big win to me.

Like probably most people who use XFCE, I appreciate how it focuses on small, incremental quality-of-life improvements instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.

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