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Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dontrip »

vintermann wrote: post #20
tedunangst wrote: post #15

Previously, the government gave him a laptop to help prepare his own defense after he decided to represent himself, but then he copied child porn onto it, so they took it away and he had to use a typewriter. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23126482/220923-halt-...

Do you really believe that? Or maybe you don't really care about the truth of it, but find it convenient for your career and peace of mind to just go along with whatever his torturers say?

There would have to be a lot of conspirators involved, that first decided to plant child pornography on this guy's encrypted hard disks and his laptop, and then somehow coerced him into defending himself with the proclamation that it's a 'victimless crime'.

Given how unlikely this is, it's almost certainly the case that he is a pedophile who has trafficked in child pornography with other pedophiles. I don't know about you, but my sympathy level for such people is approximately zero.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by rubatuga »

i_like_apis wrote: post #38
sschueller wrote: post #16

Maybe this helps Assange from not getting extradited since this is clearly against international law and many places will not extradite you to a place that commits theses kind of crimes against it's prisoners.

There’s really nothing in the letter that sounds like anything except normal jail. There’s something about 24 hour “speakers” which sounds alarming, but if it were what you think it sounds like he would have elaborated on it a lot more. There are also a lot of people “speaking” in these places 24 hours a day which can be frustrating. Other than that this looks like deranged whining to me.

You act very confident without proof. There are documentaries of the torture styles the US government used. Speakers that will blast white noise. Sleep deprivation will literally make you go insane.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by _cenw »

mschuster91 wrote: post #26
_cenw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

It is a legitimate defense strategy - and one that actually has valid points, at least for stuff like anime "CSAM". IMO, societies should focus more on preventing the creation of real-life CSAM: - teach children from a young age in an appropriate way about sex including what the names of genitalia are, so that in a court examination you don't have to argue about what "down there" means, and consent. Children can only…

Ah, Beier's project.

Director of the one and only known insitute to make trans people in Germany going through TSG (80's law to allow for name change / gender marker change) take a visual pedophile test. (Why? I'm presuming he just likes to acrew more data, no other reason in particular)

I listened to a few public talks and... let's say I have some red flags I'd raise.

If all you have is a hammer...

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dmantis »

rob74 wrote: post #13
barry-cotter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something? Yes. It is deterring whistleblowers. The government has an interest in spying and torturing people who expose how they do that deters whistleblowing. > In the annals of national security, the Obama administration will long be remembered for its unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. Since 2009, it has employed the World War I–era Espionage Act a…

Not sure if I would classify Schulte as a "whistleblower" - the CIA is an espionage agency, and the stuff he leaked contains details on how the CIA performs electronic espionage, i.e. how it does its job. So AFAIK it's not as if he exposed some illegal activity on the CIA's side?

Hacking people and steal their data is pretty much illegal, especially if done on non-US (or other in case of other spyers) soil.

There is no difference between some drug cartel mercenary and CIA agent from both legal and moral perspective of any other country citizen, and humanity and human rights are much more important than business of any particular country.

At least mercenaries do that for some real value, and not some vague abstract and undefined bullshit like "national interests".

Whistleblowers of any spy agencies as well organised crime organisations are heroes, if their whistles help to defend humanity from each of those criminals.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by joecool1029 »

wil421 wrote: post #36
pifm_guy wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prisoners in most countries can vote, to stop exactly things like this happening.

Prisoners can vote, it’s people with felonies in and out of jail that have a hard time voting in a lot of states.

Not in the US. Felon prisoners in DC, Vermont, and Maine can vote. That's it: https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/felon-...

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dontrip »

vintermann wrote: post #31
_kbh_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime" Whilst im sceptical of these charges, this doesn't really help his case. Certainly sounds like he is just admitting he has it.

You're quoting the Wikipedia page, it looks like. Do you think Schulte's former employer is too noble to have people working to "advance their perspectives" on Wikipedia? For all we know the images are stick figures. For all we know they just made up that he said that. It is exceedingly easy to manufacture something like this, when you control all the sources of information. If you ever wondered how some people in th…

No need to invent a shadowy conspiracy theory here.

Some people really are just unrepentant pedophiles, and based on his own words, this guy is one of them.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dontrip »

rob74 wrote: post #13
barry-cotter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something? Yes. It is deterring whistleblowers. The government has an interest in spying and torturing people who expose how they do that deters whistleblowing. > In the annals of national security, the Obama administration will long be remembered for its unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. Since 2009, it has employed the World War I–era Espionage Act a…

Not sure if I would classify Schulte as a "whistleblower" - the CIA is an espionage agency, and the stuff he leaked contains details on how the CIA performs electronic espionage, i.e. how it does its job. So AFAIK it's not as if he exposed some illegal activity on the CIA's side?

Agreed, and the other thing to keep in mind is that he leaked all this stuff because of a personal grievance, not to expose any sort of wrongdoing.

Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning had similarly corrupt motives, despite popular but misguided opinion that they are noble whistleblowers of government evil.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by willcipriano »

mschuster91 wrote: post #26
_cenw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'd probably ignore the child porn allegations - that's a common way to smear folks. 'Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime"'. Yeah, I'm not sure why you'd defend yourself like that in such a situation.

It is a legitimate defense strategy - and one that actually has valid points, at least for stuff like anime "CSAM". IMO, societies should focus more on preventing the creation of real-life CSAM: - teach children from a young age in an appropriate way about sex including what the names of genitalia are, so that in a court examination you don't have to argue about what "down there" means, and consent. Children can only…

I think you'll find more pedophiles in the public school system than the home. Biological fathers have very low incidence rates of child molestation and households have limited numbers of people in them. On the other hand you have a building where it is known that lots of children attend daily and is full of people who self selected for whatever reason to be around someone elses kids all day.

My high school pulled two pedophiles out over the last three years alone. During my time there I witnessed a lot of behavior that went right up against the line of what is acceptable by people in adult hindsight probably shouldn't have had access to children.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by joecool1029 »

Eric Rudolph, the Atlanta olympics bomber, wrote about conditions at ADX Florence previously. It was an interesting read however I don't advise going elsewhere on this site unless you want to see pictures of aborted fetuses and religious ranting: https://armyofgod.com/EricRudolphSuperMaxPrisonIssues.html
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