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Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by vintermann »

_kbh_ wrote: post #30
vintermann wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you really believe that? Or maybe you don't really care about the truth of it, but find it convenient for your career and peace of mind to just go along with whatever his torturers say?

> Schulte referred to the child pornography he was accused of possessing as a "victimless crime" Whilst im sceptical of these charges, this doesn't really help his case. Certainly sounds like he is just admitting he has it.

You're quoting the Wikipedia page, it looks like. Do you think Schulte's former employer is too noble to have people working to "advance their perspectives" on Wikipedia?

For all we know the images are stick figures. For all we know they just made up that he said that. It is exceedingly easy to manufacture something like this, when you control all the sources of information.

If you ever wondered how some people in the west could stay Stalinist after his show trials of dissidents, look in the mirror.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dools »

If he's 24/7 in a cell losing his mind and twiddling his thumbs, how did he write this letter?

How did he quote those books if he doesn't have access to a library or books?? From memory? That Dickens quote has a "..." in the middle. Who memorises a quote so well that they can abridge it on the fly? Who memorises a quote with an abridgement in it?

If he has no access to any media, how did he cite a recent court case?

What the hell is this shit!?

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by eliasmacpherson »

akomtu wrote: post #6

There is an allegory in eastern religions about our inner world. When you anger the high priest of selfish ambition, your ambition, he locks you up in a dungeon, isolated from all human contact; the dungeon is located right next to the priest's room and right in front of the shrine of madness. That is the nature of this priest's cruelty. CIA was apparently inspired by this story.

can you share the allegory? narrow down the eastern religion? provide a link? my chanda is always all muddled with my tanha.

maybe the two psychologists who designed some of their techniques were lapsed adherents who'd heard the allegory - you never know.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/cia-torture-...

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

rob74 wrote: post #13
barry-cotter wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why are we treating a prisoner like this? Is it helping something? Yes. It is deterring whistleblowers. The government has an interest in spying and torturing people who expose how they do that deters whistleblowing. > In the annals of national security, the Obama administration will long be remembered for its unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers. Since 2009, it has employed the World War I–era Espionage Act a…

Not sure if I would classify Schulte as a "whistleblower" - the CIA is an espionage agency, and the stuff he leaked contains details on how the CIA performs electronic espionage, i.e. how it does its job. So AFAIK it's not as if he exposed some illegal activity on the CIA's side?

> it's not as if he exposed some illegal activity on the CIA's side?

Lol. So you're saying their espionage is legal?

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by wil421 »

pifm_guy wrote: post #25
somesortofthing wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what decades of two parties trying to outdo each other on being "tough on crime" looks like. These punishments do act as a deterrent to whistleblowing but that's not really why they were instituted in the first place. Prisoners are a really easy demographic to throw under the bus for political gain(not like they can vote) so you get these sorts of barbaric conditions for an ever increasing subsection of the p…

Prisoners in most countries can vote, to stop exactly things like this happening.

Prisoners can vote, it’s people with felonies in and out of jail that have a hard time voting in a lot of states.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by pantalaimon »

rippercushions wrote: post #10

For what it's worth, there doesn't seem to be anything particularly unusual about the conditions he describes, it's just another day (month, year, decade, life sentence) for any prisoner at a supermax prison like ADX Florence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence Of course, the facts that this is considered normal in the US and that anybody is in there for non-violent offenses are outrageous, but here as ever t…

It’s pretty wild that you can get multiple life sentences for espionage or planned (but not committed) crimes.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by i_like_apis »

sschueller wrote: post #16

Maybe this helps Assange from not getting extradited since this is clearly against international law and many places will not extradite you to a place that commits theses kind of crimes against it's prisoners.

There’s really nothing in the letter that sounds like anything except normal jail.

There’s something about 24 hour “speakers” which sounds alarming, but if it were what you think it sounds like he would have elaborated on it a lot more. There are also a lot of people “speaking” in these places 24 hours a day which can be frustrating.

Other than that this looks like deranged whining to me.

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by bananapub »

why is the US just so casually and callously cruel with imprisonment? abusive use of solitary, terrible conditions in general, forcing people to work for essentially no money, putting people who are not dangerous in "super max" prisons, long and deeply unfair jail terms, etc etc

Re: Handwritten complaint to the court by alleged CIA Vault 7 leaker

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Post by dontrip »

dools wrote: post #32

If he's 24/7 in a cell losing his mind and twiddling his thumbs, how did he write this letter? How did he quote those books if he doesn't have access to a library or books?? From memory? That Dickens quote has a "..." in the middle. Who memorises a quote so well that they can abridge it on the fly? Who memorises a quote with an abridgement in it? If he has no access to any media, how did he cite a recent court case?…

I was wondering exactly the same. There doesn't seem to be any independent corroboration of his claims either, which to me seems quite suspicious.

As far as I can see, there was no contrition from this guy for the crimes he committed. He even tried to defend his stash of horrific child pornography, claiming that it was a 'victimless crime', making himself out to be the victim instead. I think it's not out of the question that he would continue to fabricate such a world view to try to garner sympathy from others.

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