As an asside to this, I'm surprised Elons using a Gulfstream G650ER. Given how much time he seems to spend in the air you'd have thought he'd want something a bit bigger with bedroom and shower facilities.
Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
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#732Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think that's relevant past the point where Musk is on the record as saying that because he's such a champion of free speech he's not going to ban the account.
A masked stalker, dressed all in black, was following his young child in car thinking it was him. He then blocked the car and jumped on the hood: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944 Imagine it were your child. Can you honestly say you wouldn’t change any opinions or practices when it came to personal security?
If you're the richest person in the world, you're going to have to expect that weirdos are going to follow you around. Many employ private security details. That's just how things are.
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https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288 > Elon uses the FAA PIA privacy program for a private plane ID. When using a PIA address, the owner is anon and private, not public. Sweeney’s workaround is (likely) to spot a (rare) ICAO plane resembling Musk’s & noting the private code. You can no longer claim it's public. It was de-anonymized in some way. It's no longer a case of reposting public information…
Why are you reposting this multiple times? It's not the end run you think it is: long after that point Musk declared grandly that he would not ban the account because of his stance on free speech.
Elon Musk was already on the record as seeing the safety of children as a limit to free speech.
Jack Sweeney's efforts to deanonymize the plane could be seen as inciting the following of Musk's two year-old child and the ambush of their vehicle.
If the deanonymisation that Jack Sweeney is said to be doing can be argued to be a protected form of free speech, it must also be open to inquiries over whether it is incitement towards violence now that it has resulted in a plausible threat to a life.
Frequently people use combinations of difficult-to-find publicly available information and educated guesswork to locate people and then repackage this information as a "dox" for their followers. Not all of their followers have good intentions and even if they don't literally tell people to intimidate/scare/attack their target, they must eventually be seen as somewhat liable for the actions of their followers once they're aware of them. (Isn't this similar to the argument made about Trump's tweets before he was banned?)
Hopefully, as a private company, Twitter can establish sensible public policy about what speech is allowed or banned and where these lines are.
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Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.
From the sounds of it its a bit more than just posting public flight data. He had people at airports tracking the plane as it was changing its flight code to prevent tracking. That goes beyond using public information and enters into stalking teritory, even if only in a fairy minor way. Not defending the ban, but the context is a bit more complex than posting something off of a public site onto twitter.
Not just that, but the owner of the account offered to take it down for a price. Feels like extortion.
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If you own a home, your address may also be publicly available via county records. Does that make it ok to post someone’s home address?
...is perhaps the hundred and fiftieth time I have read this (or a similar variant) nonsense of false analogy, already debunked explained and reexplained in hundreds of variants I am beginning to think that the people who parrot it are not even interested in its response (already said and reiterated hundreds of times in the last 12 hours)
Debunked how? I have not seen it before.
Welcome to the open Internet, where millions of people may independently arrive at similar conclusions. Is this your first time here?
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#736Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944
The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…
Essentially Elon wants to use false debate to bolster his actions without any moderation org that he claimed he would form.
Another impulsive act despite other forces forming negative business opinions of all his impulsive actions.
He will be laughed out of court by any judge.
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State courts have ruled anti-SLAPP laws unconstitutional. They likely can't protect Sweeney at all.
A statement like that without specifics is counter-productive to a discussion. Please provide them.
First google hit: https://www.rcfp.org/introduction-anti-slapp-guide/
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#738Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944
Legal action being taken against the person who pulled public flight information and published already public information? The sad part is I’m sure Elon can bury this guy in fees even if the lawsuit is ultimately ruled as entirely without merit.
Well Alex Jones got sued and the judge said he has to pay 1 billion $, and all he was sued for (according to the prosecutor) was publishing the family's information which I'm sure he also found available publicly and they got harassed by other people.
So Elonjet taking the information publicly available, sharing it, and people "harassing" Elon is similar enough.
Again, before Elon bought twitter the narative was that twitter as a private platform could ban anyone they wanted for no reason at all, so if that logic was reasonable then it should be reasonable now.
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Come on. That is such a bad faith argument to read on HN. There is a difference between open data and someone publicizing it. I know you hate musk but let’s not write reddit-level comment please. If it had been a personality you liked you would have written a totally different comment.
Then why isn't OpenSky (where elonjet gets data from) and sites like Flightradar24 being sued by Elon then? They publish/provide the exact same info. The only bad faith argument here is claiming publishing publicly available information is somehow endangerment.
Because those websites are not tools aimed toward targeting him specifically and tying his name to a particular airplane.
Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account
#740Elon Musks actions are questionable? Probably.
This account didn't track a flight of a plane but Elon Musks movement. That purpose of registration numbers (and ADS-B) is helping air traffic control and general safety. Not surveillance of personal movement. The same accounts for license plates of cars.
If Twitter want to do something useful they should reconsider their own standards regarding privacy in general.