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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by burnished »

fma wrote: post #377

IMHO Elon is causing controversy to keep Twitter relevant. Amongst his many skills, he's a showman. Every little thing he tweets gets amplified by the media and places like HN. He needs activity to maintain relwvance and revenue. He's also become a diety of sorts for conservatives and IMHO likely trying to pull them back in after they left Twitter for other sites, or even for good.

I mean this as criticism; if this is an act, why not put on a better show? It seems clear that he’s just a normal, flawed human.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ergocoder »

WatchDog wrote: post #247
benced wrote: post #199

I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

Yeah, the hypocrisy is what annoys me the most. Not only does it contradict his direct statement about not banning @elonjet, it contradicts his statements about twitter policy being decided by a committee, as well as his numerous other statements about allowing free speech in general. The policy itself I think makes some sense, although it's interpretation is ripe for abuse, just posting any random picture of someone…

Why does it annoy you?

If something might be harmful to my kids, I would ignore what I said earlier and protect my kids first.

I don't give a shit if I will be labeled as a hypocrite. My family and kids come first no matter what.

Wouldn't you do the same? Would you be like oh damn my kid has to die because I can't be a hypocrite?

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Post by MaysonL »

1MachineElf wrote: post #569
memish wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My attacks on you are consequence culture. Your attacks on me are stochastic terrorism. Me suppressing my personal information is protecting my physical safety. You suppressing your personal information is an unacceptable breach of free expression. Me revealing your personal information is transparency in the public interest. You revealing my personal information is doxxing and puts my life in danger. @pmarca

Hard to tell if this comment is left-wing rhetoric or right-wing satire.

Perhaps left-wing satire of right-wing hypocrisy?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by DoreenMichele »

benced wrote: post #199

I don’t think it’s crazy for Twitter to ban stuff like this. The damning part is just that it explicitly goes against the stuff Musk has repeatedly said!

He could stand to get a filter for his mouth and learn to be more nuanced. Perhaps he could hire a secretary or something to handle some of that. It doesn't seem to be an innate skill he has.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by geysersam »

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Feel for the guy and his family. But

1. This has nothing to do with the location of his private jet.

2. You can't do whatever you want, even to protect your family. Elon has a lot of power, he can't be allowed to abuse it because some guy decided to stalk him.

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Post by sacrosancty »

brookst wrote: post #516
ShredKazoo wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>people teaching/learning about systemic racism ('CRT') This is less of a free speech issue, and more of a "what should government employees be paid to do" issue. It's the difference between a gutter punk wearing a swastika, and a cop on duty wearing a swastika. The constitution prohibits the government from making a law regarding the gutter punk. But while the cop is on duty, they're an employee of the state, and it…

It’s a fair point. Systemic racism by police is a real thing, and the culture of silence and borderline extortionate tactics employed by police unions make it hard to change. Voters can say we don’t want to pay for that kind of institutional bad behavior. . . But all too often what we want doesn’t matter.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by paganel »

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

It's a private company, they can do whatever they so wished.

And as a non-US citizen, I don't care one iota about where the US billionaires are flying, for better or for worse those US billionaires don't influence my life too much. But I do care about censorship when it comes to US politics because those US politicians decide about the status of big boom-boom military stuff in my country, stuff that is employed in killing people (this recent video [1] was filmed about 20 km from the town where I grew up as a kid). The latest Twitter seems to really have changed its stance when it comes to fighting censorship in US politics. As such, I applaud Musk on this.

[1] https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/16015871425760706...

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Post by ar_lan »

akiselev wrote: post #461
kjksf wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://twitter.com/scottwww/status/1490553502640140288 > Elon uses the FAA PIA privacy program for a private plane ID. When using a PIA address, the owner is anon and private, not public. Sweeney’s workaround is (likely) to spot a (rare) ICAO plane resembling Musk’s & noting the private code. You can no longer claim it's public. It was de-anonymized in some way. It's no longer a case of reposting public information…

That plane: https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul... Registered owner: FALCON LANDING LLC at 1 Rocket Rd, Hawthorne, CA. Google Maps known businesses at 1 Rocket Rd: SpaceX and Onsite Dental (huh?) That’s not how you do anonymous.

On-site Dental is pretty common for a lot of tech companies - dentist comes to you. It’s nice enough.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #350
hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

The flight information that twitter account was using is publically available and required by law to BE public. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zygg/twitter-bans-elon-mus... "Sweeney has been using sites such as ADS-B Exchange to track the movements of private jets blogging to celebrities, tech billionaires, and Russian oligarchs for years now. By law, the movement of these plans is publicly available information.…

The available flight information does not identify anyone.

I can go on one of those websites, see all those flights, but I have no idea who they belong to or who's on board.

That changes once someone specifically links a private jet to someone.

Within the EU I'd be interested in the ramifications with regards to the GDPR.

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Post by pigsty »

Master_Odin wrote: post #490
gfodor wrote: post #477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a ridiculous take. It’s widely considered doxxing if you republish public information that makes it easy to find a person’s actual location. Without getting into the weeds on this specific issue, the idea that any public information being republished on social media can’t have safety consequences is absurd. If, for example, the information about where someone lives is buried on a buggy government website…

It's doxxing if the info was not meant to be public, but was leaked via some source unintentionally. It's not really doxxing if you take info that's broadcast to the public by law and use that. I put out my resume that has my name, address, and phone number on my public website and I wouldn't consider it doxxing if someone uses that info. If Musk doesn't want to get tracked, he can take a regular airplane like other…

Most doxxing is just taking public info found by a 2 second Google search given the right starting point.

There are countless videos of people screaming in fast food restaurants. If someone recognizes that area, looks up public addresses in the vicinity, and finds a name match, from there you can easily get a phone number, work place, etc.

Doxxing is less about information acquisition and more about intentions and location in which it’s shared. Angry mob posting online about some evil person in a video and you find the target’s address just by looking up their license plate? Most communities will ban you for doxxing if you post that info.

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