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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by wpietri » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:26 AM UTC

akiselev wrote: post #353

ncallaway wrote: post #335

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It would depend on where the lawsuit is filed. Anti-SLAPP statutes are state laws, and vary wildly by state from very strong laws, weak laws with almost no teeth, to no laws at all. Unfortunately this means enterprising billionaires might be able to forum shop the SLAPP lawsuit to states where it’s less likely to bite them later.

Sweeney is a college student in Florida and the alleged incident happened in California. I’m guessing Musk is based out of Texas? CA > TX > FL according to anti-slapp.org grades but all three have anti-SLAPP laws. Sweeney might actually have the hardest time in his state because the laws are weirdly specific. IANAL and genuinely curious, how much further can Musk shop around? To the state Sweeney’s corp is in (if he…

What Musk would get is more of what he's already getting: causing pain to the target and fear to others. Whether or not he eventually loses the lawsuit doesn't matter for that.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by rodgerd » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:27 AM UTC

bigtex wrote: post #357

rodgerd wrote: post #343

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He supports LibsofTikTok, which has resulting in whole hospitals being shut down by terrorists. He unbanned Taleb Kweli, who was banned for using twitter to stalk, harass, and organise mobs against a woman he didn't like. His campaign against Yoel Roth has resulted in Roth and his family having to flee their house. He's very, very happy with threats, including death threats if they are people that he doesn't like.

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Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by paulcole » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:28 AM UTC

ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

You are the problem. I am the problem (someone who’s never driven a car in his life and doesn’t fly in airplanes). Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and everyone else is the problem.

The sad reality is that it doesn’t much matter. The damage we’ve done is baked in and hundreds of millions of people in the next few generations are going to have it pretty rough. Can’t unring the bell of a century+ of society not giving a shit about the environment and just pointing fingers at someone else and calling them the problem.

If you’re loaded, you may as well just take the PJ flights and enjoy them.

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Post by VirusNewbie » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:28 AM UTC

asdajksah2123 wrote: post #321

pgodzin wrote: post #310

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.

Blocking speech that may be harmful to a handful of millionaires and billionares = Common Sense. Not promoting speech that may be harmful to tens of thousands of already marginalized people = Woke Mind Virus

Direction threats have always been against the law, what you claim is “harming already marginalized groups” is not at all the same thing, and not against the law.

Unless you mean specifically targeting people, in which case, twitter and other places don’t allow this.

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Post by pclmulqdq » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

fallous wrote: post #342

saboot wrote: post #111

Is he afraid of a stalker following him in a plane? He uses this as an excuse, then discredits himself by going on to threaten legal action against Sweeney. Wants it both ways.

Knowing when/where a private plane lands makes it a lot easier to stalk the passengers of that plane. This is of course entirely separate from whether such info was used against Musk or his family, or whether such a possibility is sufficient grounds for attempting to silence those who make it easily accessible (it's still accessible thanks to ADS-B for anyone with basic technical skills and cares enough).

Bernard Arnault (the new richest person in the world, and head of LVMH group) gave up his personal private jet to avoid this kind of tracking. Elon Musk can too if he wants to avoid the scrutiny.

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Post by ggm » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:31 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #155

It's a private space. He can do what he likes. We draw conclusions about what we think, but thats going to good-or-bad justified-or-unjustified consistent-or-inconsistent as matters of opinion. I note that he said he wanted a space with less constraint. He said it quite simply and directly. He's capable of both changing his mind, and in believing this is consistent, and in not caring either way. I left twitter some t…

This from Ars Technica[1]:

  "It’s likely Musk will turn to Hughes for guidance as the Federal Trade Commission threatens more legal challenges. If the FTC finds that Twitter misled users over privacy protections, that would violate a decade-old consent decree. NYT reported that the FTC has already sent Twitter letters asking how staff cuts have potentially impacted Twitter’s ability to uphold that agreement. Before he was dismissed from advising Twitter, Spiro had previously said that Musk “puts rockets into space” and was “not afraid of the FTC.”

 Neither SpaceX nor Twitter immediately responded to Ars’ request to comment."

What this says to me is that the FTC already has a basis to put pressure on Musk, private ownership or not.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/12/musk-brings-spac...

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Post by antod » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:32 AM UTC

ramraj07 wrote: post #354

antod wrote: post #347

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> How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of commercial flights each year when you've got multiple Teslas and hundreds of private flights each year? Because there are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of other truck owners also using the same justification to keep their truck? This isn't sticking up for hypocritical wasteful billionaires, just pointing there are not very many of them in th…

So the poor and middle class have to go beyond comfort and make concessions every day while these billionaires are free to burn the world at a 10000x rate of a normal person because “there’s not enough of them?” Great logic. By that strand, I suppose they could also be allowed to abuse people, I mean it’s more important that we make sure the general population doesn’t abuse right? That’s what truly moves the statisti…

You call out "Great logic" with an immense whopper of your own.

Where did I say it was OK for billionaires to waste so much? Did calling them wasteful and hypocritical sound to you like I was supporting them?

If we want to extend the fallacies in the other direction - Why should the rest of the world do anything when these wasteful Americans insist on having so many trucks?

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Post by rideontime » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 3:33 AM UTC

ModernMech wrote: post #307

karmicthreat wrote: post #290

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Could be true, could be a convenient lie. It's not like Elon is above the trust thermocline anymore.

Specifically, he’s not above using his family as a prop for sympathy points: https://mobile.twitter.com/justinemusk/status/15955060875703...