Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account • Hacker News Board

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by kivle » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:40 AM UTC

itbeho wrote: post #294

A thought experiment would be to wonder if the same people that think it's ok to share "public" knowledge of the location of Elon's jet would agree to the same for Hillary Clinton, Obama, Newsom or Fauci. I'm genuinely curious how uniformly these beliefs are held, or if it's just a determination that Musk ain't in the club any longer and is considered fair game.

Tracking flights of politicians is most definitely important public knowledge. It's one of the most useful tools to get some insight into what might be going on in the world, like the recent visit to Taiwan, yesterdays visit by Russia to Venezuela, etc.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by throwawaylinux » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:42 AM UTC

dmix wrote: post #217

dumbfounder wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only a problem if you want Twitter to survive as a platform where they at least try to uphold something akin to free speech. If you want it to become irrelevant then I guess it doesn't matter, and there is no problem. But if Elon says he wants it to be a place of free speech and he doesn't behave in a way that backs that up according to public opinion (which is highly subjective) then there will be some issues r…

Indeed I gave Twitter a second chance because of this and this makes it doubly hard to defend. I already cared little about defending the cult of personality thing.

Why would you have to defend anything like that to use it? Who makes any of the products or services you use? Do you defend the Chinese Communist Party when you buy anything made in China or by a Chinese company? Or defend petroleum and war profiteers and petrostate regimes whenever you fill your gas tank or take a flight or a bus somewhere?

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by aceazzameen » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

I call bullshit unless he has a source. He's cries wolf too often.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by JKCalhoun » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

memish wrote: post #244

tough wrote: post #174

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wait this is wild, so much for free speech 2.0

So why are his haters still so angry? They are against free speech and supported the right for a private company to moderate how it wants. That's what they've been saying the past several years. Elon has come around to their position!

Angry? Who knew irony could be so funny? Elon has been one of the funnier things to close out this mostly doleful year.

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Post by atlgator » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:43 AM UTC

ClassicOrgin wrote: post #263

What I really like about ElonJet and Sweeney's other accounts is they included emission estimates. Really blew a hole in the idea that you could ever consider Musk or Gates to be environmentalists. A recent Musk flight between Washington and Miami emitted 9 tons of CO2 [1], which is nearly double what a fuel inefficient car would emit each year. How can you tell me I'm the problem with my single truck and couple of c…

This is always the commentary about leaders and business people from all over the world flying their private jets to Davos to discuss solutions to climate change.

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Post by spritefs » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:44 AM UTC

joshuamorton wrote: post #163

trident5000 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your home location is also public info. Publishing it on twitter is still doxxing and always has been.

"Doxxing" isn't illegal and never has been.

It isn't legal in California

> Every person who, with intent to place another person in reasonable fear for his or her safety, or the safety of the other person’s immediate family, by means of an electronic communication device, and without consent of the other person, and for the purpose of imminently causing that other person unwanted physical contact, injury, or harassment, by a third party, electronically distributes, publishes, e-mails, hyperlinks, or makes available for downloading, personal identifying information, including, but not limited to, a digital image of another person, or an electronic message of a harassing nature about another person, which would be likely to incite or produce that unlawful action, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in a county jail, by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by ModernMech » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:45 AM UTC

karmicthreat wrote: post #290

hakanderyal wrote: post #96

Elon posted some info[0] that gives it some context: "Last night, car carrying lil X in LA was followed by crazy stalker (thinking it was me), who later blocked car from moving & climbed onto hood. Legal action is being taken against Sweeney & organizations who supported harm to my family." Make that what you will. [0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603190155107794944

Could be true, could be a convenient lie. It's not like Elon is above the trust thermocline anymore.

Specifically, he’s not above using his family as a prop for sympathy points: https://mobile.twitter.com/justinemusk/status/15955060875703...

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by JamisonM » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:45 AM UTC

Two things jump to mind on this:

1. This is like the classic sorta thing where someone thinks a given freedom/right/restriction is ok until they feel threatened by it and suddenly it needs to be reconsidered.. it is ok in the abstract and then when the concrete harms possible become obvious your opinion changes (like being related to a victim of a mass shooting or being friends with someone gay that is being denied the rights of a "normal" marriage)

2. They could have just messaged the account owner and said "a delay of X hours is ok but real-time reporting is no longer permitted" and I am sure the account owner would have complied and they would have avoided this whole thing. It seems so deeply dysfunctional to have not done so - which is very on-brand for Musk-era Twitter.

Re: Twitter has re-suspended ElonJet account

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Post by joshuamorton » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:45 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #183

joshuamorton wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Doxxing" isn't illegal and never has been.

That is location dependent. NL, Spain and China (and possibly others) have anti-doxxing laws. That said: tracking a plane is not doxxing.

Fair, I should clarify: it is not illegal in any of the locations that Musk or Jack Sweeney operate in. Musk going after Sweeney would hopefully get thrown out at the anti-SLAPP stage. Unfortunately, my go-to person for such questions (@popehat) just left Twitter because of how awfully Musk is running it.

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Post by pgodzin » Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 2:47 AM UTC

Many people have been trying to get the point across that legal, unlimited free speech can put people in harm's way. Elon is happy to say that he's willing to trade harm to those people for his free speech principles, but as soon as his family is the one facing the repercussions, he's happy to change policy and sue.