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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by d23 »

PathOfEclipse wrote: post #790
lxgr wrote: post #740

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon himself, on https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376 : > By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. Was the account violating any law?

Your very own tweet disproves what you're saying: "I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law." Even back in April he was not saying he was only going to censor illegal speech. Anyways, since Elon acquired twitter he's made it a major talking point to say that twitter is still moderating by the same rules as before: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1588538640401018880 "Twitter has had a massive drop in r…

> The ElonJet account was violating rules for leaking internal company communications

First I've heard of this. The ElonJet person was a Twitter employee then? What communications did they leak?

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Post by Sateeshm »

erlich wrote: post #823
nomagicbullet wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cracks are already showing. Musk and Dorsey are in different sides of the argument with Elon accusing previous Twitter leadership of inaction. Jack didn't like that accusation: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1601302412056473600

Jack didn't reply to his follow-up though: > Jack: No, it is not. > Elon: When Ella Irwin, who now runs Trust & Safety, joined Twitter earlier this year, almost no one was working on child safety. > She raised this with Ned & Parag, but they rejected her staffing request. > I made it top priority immediately. Why doesn't he set the record straight on this?

Jack replied to it --

I don’t know what happened in past year. But to say we didn’t take action for years isn’t true. You can make all my emails public to verify. Company took away my access to email or I would.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by munificent »

CommieBobDole wrote: post #356
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

I have a different but similar take on this: Imagine two WWI soldiers on opposing sides hunkered down alone in their trenches within earshot of each other. One yells to the other, "Man, I'm so glad I've got my twenty comrades with me!"

The other knows there's no way the trench could hold that many and says, "Don't like to me you bastard!"

The first guy says, "Oh, yeah, well how many do you have?"

The other says, "Only ten of us."

The other guy here has:

1. Criticized the first guy for lying.

2. Then lied himself.

Would you call this behavior hypocritical? No, probably not. Because hypocrisy only really exists as a valid criticism within a social sphere that presumes good faith and mutual respect.

But these two dudes are mortal enemies engaged in war. Being hypocritical is the least of the harmful things that guy is willing to do to the other, a list which also includes fun social interactions like stabbing him with a bayonet.

When I see politicians become brazen about contradicting themselves, the conclusion I come to is that they see the people they are making mouth sounds towards as beneath them and a less human Other that they feel no obligation to behave consistently towards.

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Post by mike_d »

hajile wrote: post #881
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Doxxing someone's location != "free speech" by most people's definitions.

When you are using the public airspace, airwaves, or waterways there is an obligation to identify yourself to others.

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Post by lxgr »

hajile wrote: post #881
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Doxxing someone's location != "free speech" by most people's definitions.

Unfortunately, "most people's definition" does not factor in at all when Elon is claiming to only be upholding the law. It is my understanding that "doxxing" is not only largely legal in the U.S., it is in fact common practice for various administrative databases to be published unredacted by default.

Whether the law adequately protects people's privacy is a different conversation (worth having in my opinion!), and so is whether or not public or private non-government entities should step up instead and provide that additional protection.

With steps like this, he just clearly shows that he either never was all that serious about that claim, or that he has quickly learned why content moderation isn't as easy as "upholding the law and nothing but the law", especially in the U.S.

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Post by pas »

hajile wrote: post #881
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

Doxxing someone's location != "free speech" by most people's definitions.

free speech absolutism is exactly what Elon was parroting though

and if he were to acknowledge that he has changed his mind it would be okay-ish, but his whole process is to cause maximum amount of cringe, outcry, gossip/scandals, and so on, because this is what resonates with his personality anyway. so far it led him to the top of that particular game .. so it's unlikely he'll change.

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Post by minimaxir »

perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

Top-level comment highjack: ElonJet's creator was just suspended/banned from Twitter as the linked tweet indicates.

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Post by noncoml »

wpietri wrote: post #205
ancapsfascists wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

I saw somebody call Musk "Phony Stark", and that seems to me a pithy summary of the cognitive biases going on here. This place is a magnet for would-be world-changing tech geniuses. Musk's level of technical skill is in dispute, but he's been incredibly good at hyping himself as Thomas Edison 2.0, and has been very effective in using that to attract cheap capital for gee-whiz projects. I get why he got the benefit of…

Yeah, if anything this whole story helped reveal the two sides of HNers

Those who are interested in technology in itself

And those who are interested in technology as a means to be one rich and maybe powerful

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