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Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by bearjaws »

hu3 wrote: post #27

This is how I move fast and break nothing. By having fullstack type-safety from database all the way to the frontend with auto-completion. My current stack: + SvelteKit (could be Next, Nuxt, Solid or any other TypeScript framework) + tRPC (typed calls between frontend and backend, https://trpc.io ) + trpc-sveltekit (glues SvelteKit and tRPC, https://github.com/icflorescu/trpc-sveltekit ) + Prisma (ORM, https://www.pr…

Anyone know a good way to solve Prisma memory usage? We use a database per customer and each one adds 50-80mb of RAM. Our backend currently consumes 2-3GiB of RAM to host less than 100 customers...

App server has GC pauses of 50-80ms as a result of the memory usage.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by abraxas »

Trufa wrote: post #67
qudat wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I used prisma a few years ago I was not impressed and it couldn't do a lot of what I needed so I had to dump into raw sql queries anyway. It was easier for me to use knex and get the types mostly right.

A lot has changed in the past years of Prisma, it's a really great tool, to be honest, "raw sql" escape hatches to do anything raw when you need it, if you haven't tried it in years, I'd recommend you to try again since if you tried it years ago, it was a very different maturity level.

Do they (Prisma) still rely on a Rust sidecar? This caused multiple issues with container deployment and the CI/CD pipeline of my employer.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by JonathanBeuys »

yamrzou wrote: post #66

There is a plethora of javascript frameworks: React, Vue, Svelte, Remix, etc. If I know nothing about front-end development, and would like to learn one that is: - Intuitive - Suitable for small projects as well as large projects. - That is here to stay, i.e. either adopted by many companies, or its adoption curve is going up. Which one should I pick? Would Svelte be a good choice?

Why do you want a framework and not just plain HTML, CSS and Javascript?

I have been doing frontend dev for over a decade and I never needed a framework. When I want to template data client side, I use Handlebars.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by have_faith »

yamrzou wrote: post #66

There is a plethora of javascript frameworks: React, Vue, Svelte, Remix, etc. If I know nothing about front-end development, and would like to learn one that is: - Intuitive - Suitable for small projects as well as large projects. - That is here to stay, i.e. either adopted by many companies, or its adoption curve is going up. Which one should I pick? Would Svelte be a good choice?

> Suitable for small projects as well as large projects

> That is here to stay, i.e. either adopted by many companies, or its adoption curve is going up.

Arguably React for ecosystem and provability at every scale.

> Intuitive

Likely Svelte. React is mostly fine but hooks come with their footguns for newcomers.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by swyx »

yamrzou wrote: post #66

There is a plethora of javascript frameworks: React, Vue, Svelte, Remix, etc. If I know nothing about front-end development, and would like to learn one that is: - Intuitive - Suitable for small projects as well as large projects. - That is here to stay, i.e. either adopted by many companies, or its adoption curve is going up. Which one should I pick? Would Svelte be a good choice?

remix isnt like those others in that you’d also need React to do UI

at this point React Vue and Svelte are all decent production choices, as for what is intuitive that really depends what YOU like, different strokes different folks

svelte is probably the most fully integrated toolkit (animations, state mgmt, server side rendering, serverless api routes, etc) and ships the least javascript at this point tho if u want the quick sales pitch

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by omnibrain »

All the praise for SvelteKit in this thread peaked my interest. But where would I start?

I'm currently looking around to find a modern "toolkit" to write a new webbased frontend for our traditional desktop app. It's goin to be more or less CRUD with lots of tables/grids.

Currently I favour vue.js with Quasar because of all the tooling and ressources it offers. It looks like it's easy to start with a traditional "navigation on the left, content on the right" layout.

I need nothing fancy, it's going to be business CRUD for a small circle of users. Deployed on premises at our customers sites.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by efields »

Congrats to Svelte. More than a couple years ago, I gave my team the opportunity to go React, Vue or Svelte after giving them time to test them out. React was basically the legacy code that we were familiar with. This was right around the first hooks release and after using it for a while, and we had a nasty redux state manager, and nothing about React felt truly great for DX besides JSX, and that was everywhere already.

I'm happy with Vue but every time I look at Svelte code I get a bit jealous. Its a very nice environment, one I would pick up for personal projects if that time was there, and I wish Svelte godspeed and a huge adoption curve.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by arxpoetica »

culi wrote: post #53
pier25 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML Yeah that's one of the things I love about Svelte. It tends to enhance fundamental web knowledge rather than forcing you to think in convoluted ways. Features like actions put you close to the bare metal so to speak. I use those all the time.

This is what they said about React when it first blew up. Compared to Angular, it's much closer to being *just javascript™*. But I wonder how well that'll hold up after the honeymoon phase The builder.io team made a tool called Mitosis[^0] that lets you input a component written in almost any framework and automatically recreate that same component in any other framework including Vue, React, Qwik, Angular, Svelte, R…

Unlike React/JSX, Svelte uses ASTs that adhere to HTML, JavaScript, and CSS (non-JSX) format. Yes, there is a minimal Svelte-only API footprint, but the native AST parsers means that parsing is much more respectful of correct code validation, versus JSX's own idiomatic set of ThingsYouCannotDo™.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by gmaster1440 »

hu3 wrote: post #27

This is how I move fast and break nothing. By having fullstack type-safety from database all the way to the frontend with auto-completion. My current stack: + SvelteKit (could be Next, Nuxt, Solid or any other TypeScript framework) + tRPC (typed calls between frontend and backend, https://trpc.io ) + trpc-sveltekit (glues SvelteKit and tRPC, https://github.com/icflorescu/trpc-sveltekit ) + Prisma (ORM, https://www.pr…

Curious how you handle `request.formData()` in Form Actions and ensuring type safety there.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by arxpoetica »

omnibrain wrote: post #76

All the praise for SvelteKit in this thread peaked my interest. But where would I start? I'm currently looking around to find a modern "toolkit" to write a new webbased frontend for our traditional desktop app. It's goin to be more or less CRUD with lots of tables/grids. Currently I favour vue.js with Quasar because of all the tooling and ressources it offers. It looks like it's easy to start with a traditional "navi…

You can start here: https://learn.svelte.dev/tutorial/welcome-to-svelte
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