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Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by sergiotapia »

Congratulations on the milestone!

I'm a bit confused, does this mean I can use Prisma with Sveltekit out of the box? It's server side rendered like a typical expressjs app?

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by rglover »

lairv wrote: post #38

Great news and looking forward to how this goes. I still find it incredible that the frontend javascript ecosystem hasn't found a reliable and productive contender yet, a framework you could be sure would be still relevant without too much changes in 5+ years, something like what Ruby on Rails is for full-stack. Some would say that React/NextJS has this role but I have to disagree. When using React/NextJS you still h…

> you still have to rely on third party library for routing, state management, querying etc.

Take a peek at Joystick [1]. I designed it as the exact antithesis to this. It's full-stack (Node.js back-end with a fully ssr'd component framework designed for the long-term) and doesn't introduce any special paradigms (i.e., vanilla HTML, CSS, and JavaScript—no attribute tricks/compilers needed). Everything is designed to be a fixed-API with the only changes being added functionality (i.e., no random "hey this is deprecated now" rug pulls).

Philosophy is described here: https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick#what-distinguishes-joy...

[1] https://github.com/cheatcode/joystick

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by culi »

pier25 wrote: post #36
bkeating wrote: post #28

There is so much "let me just see if this works..." tap tapppy tap .... "no... NO WAY... OMG IT WORKED!" with Svelte. Very little surface area. It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML and empowers you with reactivity and a means of if being able to add motion to your ui. Newbs and Pros alike can build fast with it. That speed + reactivity allows your software to better keep up with your converstaions that…

> It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML Yeah that's one of the things I love about Svelte. It tends to enhance fundamental web knowledge rather than forcing you to think in convoluted ways. Features like actions put you close to the bare metal so to speak. I use those all the time.

This is what they said about React when it first blew up. Compared to Angular, it's much closer to being *just javascript™*. But I wonder how well that'll hold up after the honeymoon phase

The builder.io team made a tool called Mitosis[^0] that lets you input a component written in almost any framework and automatically recreate that same component in any other framework including Vue, React, Qwik, Angular, Svelte, React Native, Lit, web components, and even Swift

It's always interesting to try out different frameworks and compare the plain HTML version of certain components with this tool

[^0]: https://mitosis.builder.io/

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by qudat »

mitch3x3 wrote: post #47
hu3 wrote: post #27

This is how I move fast and break nothing. By having fullstack type-safety from database all the way to the frontend with auto-completion. My current stack: + SvelteKit (could be Next, Nuxt, Solid or any other TypeScript framework) + tRPC (typed calls between frontend and backend, https://trpc.io ) + trpc-sveltekit (glues SvelteKit and tRPC, https://github.com/icflorescu/trpc-sveltekit ) + Prisma (ORM, https://www.pr…

How are you liking Prisma compared to a pure SQL approach?

When I used prisma a few years ago I was not impressed and it couldn't do a lot of what I needed so I had to dump into raw sql queries anyway. It was easier for me to use knex and get the types mostly right.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by rahimnathwani »

hu3 wrote: post #27

This is how I move fast and break nothing. By having fullstack type-safety from database all the way to the frontend with auto-completion. My current stack: + SvelteKit (could be Next, Nuxt, Solid or any other TypeScript framework) + tRPC (typed calls between frontend and backend, https://trpc.io ) + trpc-sveltekit (glues SvelteKit and tRPC, https://github.com/icflorescu/trpc-sveltekit ) + Prisma (ORM, https://www.pr…

I'd love to browse a sample codebase.

Do you know of any non-trivial open source projects using this stack?

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by unsupp0rted »

bkeating wrote: post #28

There is so much "let me just see if this works..." tap tapppy tap .... "no... NO WAY... OMG IT WORKED!" with Svelte. Very little surface area. It embraces your knowledge of plain ole CSS/JS/HTML and empowers you with reactivity and a means of if being able to add motion to your ui. Newbs and Pros alike can build fast with it. That speed + reactivity allows your software to better keep up with your converstaions that…

I had the opposite feeling a month or so ago, especially with stores- there's so much "magic" that I kept running into confusing walls.

If I `export let` a variable to be reactive over here, why isn't it reactive over there?

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by nathias »

I'm a React expert, but whenever I can I choose Svelte, it really is a joy to use. I've been using SvelteKit for some time now, it's great to see it out of beta so I can shill it to more projects.

Re: SvelteKit 1.0

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Post by whycombagator »

hu3 wrote: post #27

This is how I move fast and break nothing. By having fullstack type-safety from database all the way to the frontend with auto-completion. My current stack: + SvelteKit (could be Next, Nuxt, Solid or any other TypeScript framework) + tRPC (typed calls between frontend and backend, https://trpc.io ) + trpc-sveltekit (glues SvelteKit and tRPC, https://github.com/icflorescu/trpc-sveltekit ) + Prisma (ORM, https://www.pr…

How do you typically deploy such a stack?
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