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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by spinningslate »

bko wrote: post #597
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out. If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

The point is, I think, how you interpret "free speech". In his own tweet [0], he says:

"By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law. I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law."

The information @ElonJet is publishing is publicly available. One interpretation says: if it's publicly available information, then preventing it being republished is censorship. Therefore Musk is breaking his own rule.

Another interpretation says: whilst it's freely-available information, publishing risks increased harm to Musk himself. I'm no expert on US law, but I'd imagine there's some sort of provision that protects against deliberately risking harm to someone. Assuming that's the case, Musk is being consistent with his own rule.

Given his public profile - and his desire/willingness/record of being provocative - I'd imagine most will adopt the former interpretation.

[0]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519036983137509376?lang...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by madeofpalk »

simple10 wrote: post #632

I'm curious how they're internally spinning the justification. It doesn't seem to be a violation of Twitter's Automation Rules [1] but ostensibly could be a violation of their harassment rule [2]. It's a bit of a stretch. The litmus test will be if/when the internal comms get released as part of the Twitter Files. I won't hold my breath. [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/twitter-autom... [2] https://…

> I'm curious how they're internally spinning the justification

"Boss said to do it".

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by pseudo0 »

qlm wrote: post #616
overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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If stochastic terrorism is speech that makes violent acts against an individual or group more likely, isn't ElonJet engaging in stochastic terrorism by making it easier for a radicalized crazy person to find Elon and harm him in real life?

I personally think the concept of stochastic terrorism is a rhetorical trick to associate legal speech with terrorism, but I think the argument applies just as well to ElonJet.

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Post by Jiro »

AlexandrB wrote: post #437
yosefk wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

> I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I haven't followed parts 2 & 3 of the Twitter files. But the irony here is that the government…

This is one of the ways in which the deep state matters.

"The Trump Administration" can be opposed to actual-Trump.

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Post by wyoh »

qlm wrote: post #616
overgard wrote: post #595

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not). Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok --…

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Stochastic terrorism is a such bullshit concept, only designed to prevent examination of some political ideologies.

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Post by jszymborski »

When the Elon/Twitter transaction went through, there were a lot of HN comments stating that they thought that this might actually mean a more open, "freer" Twitter.

When I mentioned that Elon had already been using his power unilaterally to re-platform personal allies like Babylon Bee and Ye, I got all sorts of pedantry about the difference between suspension and banning, more pedantry about the Ye reactivation happening moments before the deal went through and some justifications about Babylon Bee not having done anything wrong, etc...

I will reiterate here again. Musk will squeeze every bit of perceived power he may have out of Twitter by issuing personal favours like the petty, tin-pot tyrant that he is.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mullingitover »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Here's my best guess: Musk lives in a bubble of yes men 24x7, except Sunday night he was on stage with Chapelle getting slapped in the face by over 10,000 people who clearly didn't like him. Probably a defining moment in his life that shook him to the core and genuinely scared him.

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Post by saboot »

nomagicbullet wrote: post #285
saboot wrote: post #111

It's pretty clear Elon wants everyone that has insulted or crossed him or otherwise proven him wrong to suffer some consequence to alleviate his bruised ego. Fauci, ElonJet, and more Think I'm wrong? Let's see if he'll go after Jack Dorsey in the future for recently correcting him on going after CSAM.

The cracks are already showing. Musk and Dorsey are in different sides of the argument with Elon accusing previous Twitter leadership of inaction. Jack didn't like that accusation: https://twitter.com/jack/status/1601302412056473600

This is what I'm referring to. I am expecting Elon to go after him the same as he did with Yoel Roth, now that Jack has publicly told him he's wrong.

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Post by kalkr »

EarlKing wrote: post #575
tryingtoawkgood wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tail numbers and flight paths is publicly available information. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info

So is your license plate number, and you have no reasonable expectation of the privacy of that information... but you wouldn't be happy if someone went around tracking everywhere you went now would you?

How are those two things related at all?

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Post by [deleted] »

purephase wrote: post #440
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

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