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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by kweingar »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #387
minimaxir wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that Twitter dissolved the Trust and Safety Council after that tweet was posted: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-disbands-trus... It's unclear if Ella Irwin still works at Twitter, but giving everything going on I strongly suspect there's no one to moderate against Elon personally banning an account he does not like.

I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

Replace Twitter with any other private company and see what you think.

For example, Valve is a private company that can ban anyone they like from Steam, but we wouldn’t hear this defense if a publisher get banned capriciously and lost their income.

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Post by EarlKing »

troyvit wrote: post #318
EarlKing wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so we're clear: You'll be totally in favor of maintaining the accounts of anyone who routinely posts the location of others, including yourself, right? Because that's not stalking at all... right?

It's all about what we call a "reasonable expectation of privacy" right? And all Sweeney did was publish information that was already publicly available[1], right? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sweeney

So if someone goes around taking a picture of your vehicle everywhere you go you won't have any objections to that because you have no reasonable expectation of privacy and it's all publicly available information. Got it. I'm sure you'll stoically accept such behavior rather than scream for it to stop.

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Post by butterlesstoast »

calculatte wrote: post #585
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

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Sounds like a lot of feelings and not a lot of scientific thinking.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by fzeroracer »

LimitedInfo wrote: post #238
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

serious question, does free speech extend to doxing? Personally I wouldn't like if there was a twitter that constantly tweeted the location of my car.

Why is it okay if Musk does it?

Consider the following: The Twitter files contains a lot of private information and outs employees whom have received direct harassment.

The ElonJet account contains publicly available information on a very accessible site. This does not make a statement about Musk nor does it tell who is inside the jet at the time.

Which is closer to doxxing?

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Post by overgard »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

So we have a company headquartered in SF, and I think something like 98% of twitter's political donations went to democrats, and the employees acted as constant activists whenever the executives didn't take action against high level conservatives (I'll leave aside whether that action was justified or not).

Also, if you read the twitter files, the enforcement was fairly lopsided. Look what happened to @libsoftiktok -- constant labels and suspensions even though they admitted that they couldn't actually find rule breaks. They just didn't like the "intent". And when that account got doxxed -- which is dangerous and malicious -- the company did nothing.

I don't think you need to call it a liberal conspiracy, it's just very clear that twitter has/had a very particular bias based on the facts alone.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jchw »

jchw wrote: post #147

On one hand: Elon Musk has clearly directly been involved in having accounts suspended in the past, because it happened when he got upset about parody accounts making fun of him. On the other hand: there's no particular information here yet, regarding the reason why the account was banned, nor does anyone know if Elon Musk actually had anything directly to do with it. Elon Musk has a ton of fanboys who would probably…

I'm surprised this struck so much of a nerve here (based on votes and the reply.) Disappointed, but I'm not going to take it personally; if you're reading this and it's somehow pissing you off, I strongly suggest spending some time away from the computer.

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Post by bko »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I think a reasonable policy would be you can't post the location of people against their will. Seems like a big security concern. Just because its publicly accessible by some means doesn't mean its okay to blast out.

If you agree its fine, would you apply the same reasoning to [favorite politician]? How about a bot that crowdsources the whereabouts of [politician] at any time?

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Post by kweingar »

40four wrote: post #572
electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

I'm flabbergasted by the overwhelming response that this account should be allowed "in the name of Free Speech". This isn't a free speech issue. This is a personal safety issue. It is a personal attack towards Musk. As high profile as he is, and the amount of controversy surrounding him, he certainly has a target on his back. I consider that account a form of Doxxing, and I can't think of any good reason it should be…

I honestly would not have cared about the account being banned, except for the fact that Musk won points for nobly saying he would not ban the account.

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

eightysixfour wrote: post #12
Overtonwindow wrote: post #7

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

I have read the “revelations” and… they weren’t that interesting to be honest. Pretty much what I expected.

You were aware that Twitter was in direct contact with Democrat politicians and campaigns to censor opponents? It was news to me that they were have weekly meetings with FBI and Intelligence communities where the topic was directly about conservatives in government, I guess I was out of the loop on those.
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