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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by cyberlurker »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #243

A lot of people have been naïve about Elon Musk, especially Lex Fridman and Joe Rogan. Elon is not in the Ponzi business like SBF, but we've seen quite a few questionable statements and borderline vaporware predictions. More rational scrutiny and skepticism is needed, as a general rule, for anyone in power.

I want to hear Lex Fridman say if he has changed his opinion or not on Elon. I am not sure about Lex. He gives a platform to people who are disingenuous and then doesn't question them hard enough.

Another person who defends Elon is Bill Maher. I am curious what he will say in the new year.

Also MKBHD.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by enumjorge »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #451
yosefk wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

>it is illegal for the government to "outsource censorship" to private parties in order to silence speech protected by 1A. A relative of DNC's Podesta or an FBI lawyer working for Twitter add to the impression more than the legal argument I guess. This is the entire story, but lede buried by MuskHate. Does no one out here realize this is the same hate-everything-acknowledge-nothing behavior regarding Trump? That you…

> That you must hate the person and nothing else matters...

It’s funny you mention that because a lot of the alt-right’s success the past few years has been fueled by a pure, unadulterated hatred of anything deemed liberal or progressive.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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m_fayer wrote: post #436
busyant wrote: post #400

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This is poetry. And it has the added benefit of being true.

Yep. Poetry that leads to the horrifying realization that many of our elites live in a world surrounded by p-zombies, and somehow, this doesn't give them a moment's pause.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by coldpie »

FactolSarin wrote: post #516
theturtletalks wrote: post #401

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44 billion was around 25% of his net worth. That's a lot of money, even for Musk. If his current actions cause Tesla to be viewed less favorably and sales to decline, it could cost him a lot more than that

The Tesla brand approval rating is more negative than positive for the first time:

> On Nov. 7, for the first time since YouGov began tracking Tesla in 2016, more respondents in the U.S. reported a negative perception of Tesla than a positive view. The brand perception has eroded further since, according to YouGov data.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musks-twitter-politics-add...

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by zugi »

nkozyra wrote: post #495
yosefk wrote: post #389

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

A not-so-fine line between compulsion and requests. The government is allowed to reach out to and talk to Twitter. Taibbi mentions two "suppression" interactions: > Taibbi reported Twitter had "received and honored" deletion requests from both the Biden campaign and the Trump White House; he presented examples of the former but not of the latter. (per Wiki) Only one of those groups was actively in government and as e…

Social media company censoring and so-called "fact checking" really stepped up around 2018. That's when Congress hauled heads of social media companies into Congressional hearings and both Democrats and Republicans demanded that they start filtering out "bad" information, or else Congress would make them! In a strictly legal sense this was not "compulsion", but given Government's power to destroy their businesses if it chose, this was essentially government outsourcing censorship.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by fortyseven »

wpietri wrote: post #205
ancapsfascists wrote: post #98

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Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

I saw somebody call Musk "Phony Stark", and that seems to me a pithy summary of the cognitive biases going on here. This place is a magnet for would-be world-changing tech geniuses. Musk's level of technical skill is in dispute, but he's been incredibly good at hyping himself as Thomas Edison 2.0, and has been very effective in using that to attract cheap capital for gee-whiz projects. I get why he got the benefit of…

Anyone giving him the benefit of the doubt has apparently been asleep for the past half decade.

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Post by nightski »

Someone wrote: post #482
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

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I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

He can, as long as he stays within the laws. However, this makes him look bad, given he repeatedly claimed that the Twitter takeover was to make Twitter more pro free speech. Examples: Two months ago he tweeted ( https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586059953311137792 ): “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with widely diverse viewpoints. No major content decisions or account reinstatements will happ…

It makes him look bad to those who hated him already (many commentators here), but to be frank it doesn't really matter.

The previous bans were controversial because they marginalized a voice. It was never about the specific people in question. It was basically invalidating the voice of many people since these were highly influential people or politicians.

There's a huge difference. I'm not taking a position on those particular people in any way, just saying that most people don't care about ElonJet in the slightest and why catching him on technicality here doesn't matter (in my humble opinion).

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by marlowe221 »

Someone1234 wrote: post #412
fnordpiglet wrote: post #387

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I don’t mean to be a antagonistic but as the owner of twitter why would we expect he not have the right and ability to ban anyone he likes? When it was publicly held there was some accountability to the shareholders as part of the public. Now he can literally carry a sink around wherever he wants

He can do what he likes, but he remains open for criticism for those actions (in particular when the hypocrisy is self-evident). Why do people feel the need to respond to valid criticism with "well technically they're ALLOWED to do [thing]?" That's neither here nor there.

Unfortunately, people often struggle with the difference between "can" and "should"...

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Post by polygamous_bat »

gfodor wrote: post #504
acdha wrote: post #177

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“fish this information out” makes it sound like it's hard to use any of the common websites which do the same thing. If the goal is security, he either needs to stop flying a personal jet or accept the cost of having adequate physical security where he does. Anyone who was incapable of looking up the jet's location without Twitter is unlikely to be competent enough to pose more risk than they would, say, staking out…

Pull vs push. The model where a person’s jet is posted on Twitter is one where the information can go viral and get pushed to everyone. It is a hugely different situation in terms of distribution and expected impressions.

Could you please point out where in the "free speech absolutism" the push vs. pull nuance comes in? That's the whole point of absolutism, you have to get rid of the nuance.

And just on this very website I have been told by very vocal Elon fanboys that "you either support free speech or you don't, no halfway points about it" when I tried to explain why banning/muting hateful rhetoric may be necessary in a social media.

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Post by bobleeswagger »

electrondood wrote: post #470

I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech. Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem…

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