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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

>Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech.

Just curious, would you be ok with some guy tracking the location of your kids on a hourly basis?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…

This is not far from how spectrum-y people see others unless they're motivated to overcome their deficiencies. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Please don't push this kind of stereotype. It's offensive and not even correct.

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#463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.

> large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that I mean, if you have to irrationally hate someone, I guess billionaires are going to be the ones with the resources to handle it, but I'd really rather we as a society move away from this sort of cathartic scapegoating altogether. The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or a…

> The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or another, backed up by flimsy excuses like "x usually found success by acting in their own interest" the more likely it becomes that "x" will be "The Jews" or some other group.

That is some wild logic. People are angry for material reasons. It's often misdirected or invalid but there's a cause.

I think anger is valid and useful when it's directed at the root of the cause. And I'm sorry, but billionaires and politicians are the ones with more power than anyone else so if something is materially broken in our world they probably deserve an outsized portion of that anger.

It takes work to misdirect that anger to other groups, which some politicians and media groups often do. I'd argue that is the thing which should be examined quite carefully.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#464

Big. Freaking. Surprise. I really hope the account is able to find a home elsewhere. EDIT: He has a Facebook page and a website. I am definitely going to be using the latter.

...? What exactly do you plan on using it for?

Shame this comment is getting downvoted, it is absolutely the right question people should be asking.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#466
3 possibilities:

1) Elon is trying to position himself as being "pro free speech" in the same way Jack Dorsey did (it's just marketing, and not a truly held principle).

2) Somebody in the organization is making decisions that Elon will reverse in the next 24 hours to prove that they did not come from him.

3) Some specific threat has been made against Elon that has him now paranoid about his security to the extent that he's rethinking his principles when faced with his own mortality.

The difference between 1 and 3 being whether he never had principles or is now giving them up. I'm guessing it's 3 because I've seen SO MANY public figures I once respected do the exact same thing once the danger of standing on principle became all too palpable.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Surely, this will be addressed in the next installment of the "Twitter Files". /s

I feel like the really interesting part of "The Twitter Files" isn't the arbitrary moderation decisions made (we sort of knew what they were thru their implementation and it's hard for moderation to be "not arbitrary" whether you agree with the decisions or not) but the involvement of US government representatives in it. I'm neither a lawyer nor an American but AFAIK according to past SCOTUS rulings, it is illegal fo…

The current Twitter Files aren't that interesting either. I haven't seen anything related to them that even seems different than how I thought it was working at the time, nor that seems illegal or incorrect.

The idea that the fruits of a hack should not be published by media outlets (including Twitter) for at least a cooling off period makes alot of sense. Also for Podesta to be involved in that since the hacking of his emails was one of the main events of the 2016 election cycle and he was keenly aware of the speed at which those hacks can entangle people and have a profound impact on the democratic process. There's no way a responsible company would want that traffic on their site.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#468

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you asking for context and nuance? What are you, a free thinker? Why not just joint he "Elon man bad" chorus?

Consider providing some nuance and context instead.

Nuance and context like "Elon is bad, of course he's bad" and "of course this is hypocrisy and nothing more"...because that's what we've gotten so far. As usual, there are two sides to every story unless your name is Elon, Trump, or other $UNPOPULAR_FIGURE

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember all those comments on HN for how right Musk is to decent free speech and how this is definitely going to improve Twitter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Lets not pretend that just because some people happened to be right, that is an indicator of some information that they had. Most of the hate towards Twitter came from hate towards Musk.

Conservatives all claim to be about free speech but when we look at any of their social networks like parler, they actively censor views they don’t agree with. On social networks they don’t control, they sue parody accounts to shut them down.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

#470
I understand this move, but need to point out how hypocritical this is for Mr. Free Speech.

Basically, his entire tenure so far has been "free speech for me and the accounts that were rightfully banned for violating the TOS!" in public, and then "we'll deboost anyone who doesn't pay me a subscription" and "let's selectively release internal comms in a misleading way to make normal company operation in good faith seem like a liberal conspiracy."

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