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ElonJet Is Now Suspended
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#392I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…
The data is public. Does taking publicly accessible data and tweeting it make it creepy? Or is more a problem to you that all the data is public? You could hide within this, say, you know, take a first class flight somewhere on a commercial plane. The price you pay for having your own plane is that your plane's movements are public. I personally support all of this data being public, it's generally a great way to gai…
The data isn't publicly available from the government because the plane is on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts
Thus the only public source is ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data.
I think there are legitimate questions about how and where aggregating crowdsourced data on people's movements crosses a line.
I am sure that allowing crowdsourced license plate reader data that makes a full history of every car movement public would be well across the line.
I am not so sure that this crosses that line but I think that discussion would be much more interesting than the low quality Musk bashing that seems to dominates these comments. (Edit: There are also some high quality comments that are quite critical of Musk that add information and context and deserve to be more prominent, but they are in the minority as the low quality comments are pretty prevalent and not being downvoted sufficiently.)
Given that the LADD list exists, we either need to repeal that law, make circumventing that law a crime, or make the the process for inclusion in the LADD list more rigorous and public.
The current situation where we are allowing companies to bypass privacy laws by using crowdsourced data seems like a bad precedent.
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#393Coincidentally, the @TweetTweaker account — which AFAIK was the first to call wide attention [0] to Elon buying up twitter shares right after his $5k offer to @ElonJet was rebuffed — is currently suspended. Its last public interaction was around Nov 6, 2022 [1] https://archive.vn/WLXQJ [1] https://twitter.com/GreatPaul_Smith/status/15894241378646097...
It's pretty amazing that one guy tweeting public info made Elon spend 44 billion.
I imagine an assassination would've been cheaper.
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#394Earlier quoted context omitted.
serious question, does free speech extend to doxing? Personally I wouldn't like if there was a twitter that constantly tweeted the location of my car.
> serious question, does free speech extend to doxing Boy, what a complicated and serious question. We should form a committee to discuss exactly where our community places reasonable boundaries and adjudicate blurry edge cases. Who could have predicted that a policy like "if it's legal, it's allowed" would lead to problems? Surely no one with a few dozen billion dollars to set on fire would be that unbelievably stup…
ok point taken but I think this might be a case of removing general public access to all flight data, instead of some rule change on twitter.
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#395Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.
Are you asking for context and nuance? What are you, a free thinker? Why not just joint he "Elon man bad" chorus?
Consider providing some nuance and context instead.
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#396Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that. You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.
> large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that I mean, if you have to irrationally hate someone, I guess billionaires are going to be the ones with the resources to handle it, but I'd really rather we as a society move away from this sort of cathartic scapegoating altogether. The more we normalize taking our anger out on some group or a…
Found Elon in the thread!
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#397Here's the ADSBExchange info for his jet, in case you still needed to know that:
https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
Currently on the ground in Texas after flying out of LA.
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#398Took longer then I thought... just looked at this account yesterday or the day before.
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#399On one hand: Elon Musk has clearly directly been involved in having accounts suspended in the past, because it happened when he got upset about parody accounts making fun of him. On the other hand: there's no particular information here yet, regarding the reason why the account was banned, nor does anyone know if Elon Musk actually had anything directly to do with it. Elon Musk has a ton of fanboys who would probably…
Shhhhh.. Stop trying to be reasonable. Embrace the outrage. Remember, if you and everyone around you all say the same thing it becomes true and everyone everywhere believes it
>Shhhhh.. Stop trying to be reasonable
This is a thought-terminating cliche. Inventing a person to pwn instead of pushing your argument directly. It hasn't added anything to the discussion that there isn't already a dedicated button for.
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#400Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises. It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a colle…
This is poetry. And it has the added benefit of being true.