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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Felemiti »

mharig wrote: post #49
Felemiti wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. The…

Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...

How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by mharig »

Felemiti wrote: post #50
mharig wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical. In Germany there were no overrun hospitals. 'Nuff said.

There were. Why are you lying?

Scroll down this page to the time series graphics:

https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/corona-lage-auf-den-intensivst...

And now tell me where the full ICUs are [edit: and notice the 'big' amount of COVID19 patients].

And furthermore, notice the diminishing amount of total ICUs during this 'pandemic'.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Andaith »

So, excess deaths were always going to be higher. Covid is a new virus that's circulating in addition to all the existing viruses(virii?) that circulated throughout the population previously, and it's also significantly more harmful than the existing viruses.

So what's interesting here is: 1) The size of the jump in excess deaths. 2) Not all the excess deaths are attributable to Covid.

> That equates to an extra 18,671 deaths. Of those, only 7727 were attributed to Covid – or 41 per cent – leaving 10,944 non-Covid excess deaths.

So, 41% of the excess deaths were attributed to covid, leaving 59% of the jump in excess deaths to be things that were already killing us, but for some reason are killing us _more_ this year.

> So far in 2022, deaths due to dementia are up 18.9 per cent, diabetes up 20.8 per cent, cancer up 6.1 per cent, and ischaemic heart disease up 3.3 per cent, according to ABS data.

and all the things that: 1) aren't covid 2) are increased excess deaths

appear to be things that covid _makes worse_. I don't have any scientific papers or news articles to hand or anything, but I've been reading for the last few years now that covid impacts the brain(brain fog in long covid), hits overweight people & diabetics harder, causes heart problems, etc etc.

Which is the simplistic take. but I do wonder if there's anything more to it, that I can't think of at all?

Also, no idea about increased cancers. Delayed treatment? Less effective treatment or diagnosis due to covid precautions? something completely unrelated to covid? Any thoughts there?

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

slaw wrote: post #39
collyw wrote: post #35

Most likely the "vaccine" is at least partially responsible. Most vaccines take around ten years to develop, most of that time being in testing for adverse events. Given that no one is actually attempting to monitor this, and that health authorities worldwide have tried their best to destroy the control group this seems like a reasonable assumption to make, or at the very least something that should be investigated.…

Questioning lockdowns and covid vaccinations get downvotes on HN. Also until very recently you would be downvoted for questioning genius mind of Elon Musk.

True believers on here. Naming these shots a "vaccine" was a stroke of marketing genius, but thoroughly dishonest.

Most of the public assume something along the lines of "one and done" when it comes to a vaccines, not constant boosters followed by still catching covid multiple times, and they promise that they are "working".

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

Felemiti wrote: post #45
collyw wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

"seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. The…

"Seems" based on the case numbers shown on world in data. Given that forcing masks onto the healthy population (regardless of symptoms or previous infection) is a new intervention it should be up to those mandating them to prove that they work rather than me to demonstrate otherwise.

Can you point me to anywhere on the graph that indicates that they improved the outcome? I believe that they were mandated in Bavaria in mid January 2021, and the rest of the country in April 2021. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

Felemiti wrote: post #51
mharig wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is your 'no-brainer': https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...

How is this related to my comment of masks being a no brainer?

no brainer in that you would need no brain to assume they they "work" at this stage

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

anenefan wrote: post #25
sfusato wrote: post #20

This is certainly worrying to some degree given that Australia wanted to buy time by isolating itself from the rest of the world until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. And with 97.3% of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose [0] they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front. At this point, either the vaccine works as claimed, in which case we shouldn't be seeing these numbers, or it doesn't. [0] https://w…

Of course the vaccine helped but their effectiveness wanes after a few months. Additionally, even being vaccinated, catching covid can still take a small toll on the body. I know people who were up to date with their covid shots, but have caught covid-19 strains three times, (in other words they got tested to confirm) more often they wear clear signs of the impact having it so frequently has had on them. The covid sp…

Negative efficiency after 6 to 9 months, right around then Scotland, England and Canada stopped publishing results. Is the plan endless boosters forever more?

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by joeman1000 »

sfusato wrote: post #20

This is certainly worrying to some degree given that Australia wanted to buy time by isolating itself from the rest of the world until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. And with 97.3% of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose [0] they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front. At this point, either the vaccine works as claimed, in which case we shouldn't be seeing these numbers, or it doesn't. [0] https://w…

It simply doesn’t work as intended. The virus still spreads.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by slaw »

collyw wrote: post #54
slaw wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Questioning lockdowns and covid vaccinations get downvotes on HN. Also until very recently you would be downvoted for questioning genius mind of Elon Musk.

True believers on here. Naming these shots a "vaccine" was a stroke of marketing genius, but thoroughly dishonest. Most of the public assume something along the lines of "one and done" when it comes to a vaccines, not constant boosters followed by still catching covid multiple times, and they promise that they are "working".

It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.
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