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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by mharig »

Felemiti wrote: post #29
mharig wrote: post #26

Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks.

But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones.

> in a way that it was always clear from the beginning

It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way.

> totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus

This is bullshit. The virus is from a well known family, and has just some new sequences on some of its proteins. Cross-immunity in many people was near sure. And at least the cleavage site of the S protein has a sequence patented (in 2016 by Moderna), so I guess it was not really unknown, either.

My opinions are less religious than that of most other people. Did you really dare to answer to one of the comments to your comment with a link to a press release of the MPI, instead of a peer reviewed article?

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#42

Post by viraptor »

sfusato wrote: post #28
viraptor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some extra info: Aussies got vaccinated relatively easily on, but the protection gets weaker with time. This + barely about announcements about new vaccines / second booster (14M>5M drop) + new strains which are more resistant to the original vaccines are definitely messing up the numbers this year compared to the previous. We're taking now with the benefit of knowing the future. The lockdowns kept the numbers low fo…

The "original strain" was already gone by the time Australia started vaccinating. Input Australia on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations and have a look for yourself. Then again, we were always behind each and every variant, always following our tail when it came to it.

Unfortunate phrasing, i meant the pre-omicron strains rather than original, since that's when the effectiveness changed most drastically. Up to and including Delta we still got 95+% effectiveness against hospitalisation (https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/advice-...) and the omicron did not hit until late Dec '21. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2021/dec/23/how-m...)

By December we were already just doing the long tail of vaccinations getting to that 95% in Feb (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/datablog/ng-inter...) So while I agree we had issues with the rollout, I don't agree "we were always behind each and every variant".

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#43

Post by slaw »

Felemiti wrote: post #40
slaw wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?

From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off. But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2. Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high. They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events. Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the begin…

How does country population density play role where people in both countries live in cities?

Rules in Sweden were no nursing homes visits and no gathering above 50 people.

Look at youtube videos of social distance in Swedish metro during covid, hint there were no distancing.

Average age person who died with covid was 84 years old. Most of these deaths were in nursing homes, which once government realized it, visits were banned.

https://www.science.org/content/article/it-s-been-so-so-surr...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#44

Post by Felemiti »

mharig wrote: post #41
Felemiti wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones. > in a way that it was always clear from the beginning It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way. > totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus This is bullsh…

Soooo you are what in your daily life?

Why have you not been part of the pandemic expert group?

I'm happy to get primary sources from you which you will easily be able to produce.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Felemiti »

collyw wrote: post #37
Felemiti wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live) The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

"seems" based on what?

What research?

For you personal?

Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them.

But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind.

At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. They were real and still struggling.

The biggest issue in my opinion was that we as a society with so much knowledge and automitsation struggled sooo much with either people working from home or not needing to work.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#46

Post by Felemiti »

slaw wrote: post #43
Felemiti wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off. But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2. Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high. They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events. Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the begin…

How does country population density play role where people in both countries live in cities? Rules in Sweden were no nursing homes visits and no gathering above 50 people. Look at youtube videos of social distance in Swedish metro during covid, hint there were no distancing. Average age person who died with covid was 84 years old. Most of these deaths were in nursing homes, which once government realized it, visits w…

I can't rediscuss the whole corona pandemic with you.

But I'm stating that this simplification in the earlier comment is not as simple.

Independent of this, it doesn't matter as captain hindsight didn't exist in the beginning of all of this.

If a peer reviewed study comes to the conclusion that a lockdown was a shitty idea it doesn't make it a bad decision.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#47

Post by Felemiti »

mharig wrote: post #41
Felemiti wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones. > in a way that it was always clear from the beginning It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way. > totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus This is bullsh…

And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet?

At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month.

Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly contagious 'new' virus (including the risk you have with something normal while the hospitals were busy)

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#48

Post by mharig »

Felemiti wrote: post #47
mharig wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. But not plenty positive ones. And not plenty sufficient big ones. > in a way that it was always clear from the beginning It was clear from the beginning, that the IFR is around 0.1 and 0.2 %, with a much higher rate for old men. So an appropriate reaction was for sure not the hysteric, fascist way. > totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus This is bullsh…

And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet? At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month. Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly c…

Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical.

In Germany there were no overrun hospitals.

'Nuff said.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#49

Post by mharig »

Felemiti wrote: post #45
collyw wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

"seems" based on what? What research? For you personal? Public transport mandated ffp2 masks though at the beginning and in Bavaria I primarily saw them. But still of everything the mask thing is and was always a no brainer. Even if a good study might say later it did only save a few x people in comparison to the effort I don't mind. At the beginning there was also a lot of isolation due to overwhelmed hospitals. The…

Here is your 'no-brainer':

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/26/scientists-identify-likely-c...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#50

Post by Felemiti »

mharig wrote: post #48
Felemiti wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And an addition to your remark of 'not new': not sure if you nitpick or try to counter my point but you think that COVID as it is was nothing new? Nothing unknown and we should just have let it rip through the planet? At least I don't know any other virus everyone got I know we're a few people had strong bad reactions and lasting issues for longer than a month. Besides that, totally overrun hospitals with an highly c…

Humanity exists a little bit longer than you. But this kind of hubris is typical. In Germany there were no overrun hospitals. 'Nuff said.

There were.

Why are you lying?

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