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Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by slaw »

Felemiti wrote: post #29
mharig wrote: post #26

Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by whatthesmack »

Felemiti wrote: post #29
mharig wrote: post #26

Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Felemiti »

slaw wrote: post #31
Felemiti wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.

Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia.

Australia has 25 Million people.

The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Felemiti »

whatthesmack wrote: post #32
Felemiti wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources. There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks. Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one. I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us. W…

Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio...

This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live)

The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

Most likely the "vaccine" is at least partially responsible. Most vaccines take around ten years to develop, most of that time being in testing for adverse events.

Given that no one is actually attempting to monitor this, and that health authorities worldwide have tried their best to destroy the control group this seems like a reasonable assumption to make, or at the very least something that should be investigated. But it isn't. There are a couple of subreddits full of stores about vaccine problems.

I see the only comment in this thread asking about the percentage vaccinated / boosted is marked as [dead]. Why? It's a pretty reasonable question given the way the vaccine rollout has been handled.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

wellthatsawrap2 wrote: post #30
sfusato wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "original strain" was already gone by the time Australia started vaccinating. Input Australia on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations and have a look for yourself. Then again, we were always behind each and every variant, always following our tail when it came to it.

That's ok. Big pharma still gets paid for every jab, regardless if it actually works.

Record profits for Pfizer, while nurses got a clap.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by collyw »

Felemiti wrote: post #34
whatthesmack wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to any studies that show masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way? My understanding is that there are only studies of areas that had mask mandates (or not) and the assumption that such mandates (or not) actually relate to spread, but not actually studies that conclude even N95 masks filter airborne SARS-CoV-2 in any meaningful way.

https://www.mpg.de/17916867/coronavirus-masks-risk-protectio... This is from the well known max Planck institute from Germany (we're I live) The other studies you can easily find are also from well known institutes.

Yet the overall effect of mandating n95s in Germany seems negligible. Few places mandated well fitted n95s, a cloth mask was all. But then the masks were there to keep up the illusion of a pandemic, little more.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by slaw »

Felemiti wrote: post #33
slaw wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is you who clearly need to step back and look at Sweden who didn't follow WHO lockdowns and it is doing better than Australia.

Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia. Australia has 25 Million people. The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.

Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by slaw »

collyw wrote: post #35

Most likely the "vaccine" is at least partially responsible. Most vaccines take around ten years to develop, most of that time being in testing for adverse events. Given that no one is actually attempting to monitor this, and that health authorities worldwide have tried their best to destroy the control group this seems like a reasonable assumption to make, or at the very least something that should be investigated.…

Questioning lockdowns and covid vaccinations get downvotes on HN. Also until very recently you would be downvoted for questioning genius mind of Elon Musk.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Post by Felemiti »

slaw wrote: post #38
Felemiti wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden has 10 Million people in a small area and have totally different weather and culture than Australia. Australia has 25 Million people. The Netherlands for example had a much more open COVID strategy than Germany but culture wise there were much less weird / crazy people spewing miss information than what happens in Germany.

Sweden urbanization 88%, Australia 86%. Swedes were not following masks rules and no strict lockdowns. Do you mean it is climate that makes Australia excessive deaths?

From pure weather point of view I would assume Australia would be better off.

But population density in Sweden is 24p/km^2 while Australia has 3.3people/km^2.

Scandinavian countries are at least known to follow rules quite well as the trust for the gov is high.

They do had social distancing rules for example. Closed some school levels and forbid mass events.

Sweden also had one of the highest death rates at the beginning of COVID.

I haven't followed Australia to more detail though.

Edit: Scandinavian countries are also known for their really good internet (remote work)

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