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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by dalbasal »

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Commitment (his word, not yours) is a bit strong. The vast majority of free speech related discussion is disingenuous, ignorant or otherwise unserious.

Free speech is complicated. Saying you'll "do free speech" without refering to implementation or intended resolution to various free speech dilemmas... that means you're probably not going to do free speech.

The part that I find most annoying is when politicians bring it up this way. It seems to be the one issue where nonseriousness meets fake passion most intimately.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by qaz_plm »

EarlKing wrote: post #271
phailhaus wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flight data is already public, the account was "just" posting about it on Twitter.

So if I find your phone number in the white pages you'll have no problem with everyone knowing it, right? Because that's public information, right?

Correct

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by [deleted] »

perihelions wrote: post #109

He's also posted internal Twitter screenshots, allegedly showing a VP was personally involved in @ElonJet moderation. (In the context of an earlier moderation action -- visibility filtering ("VF")). - "A screenshot of what he claimed was an internal Slack channel showed Ella Irwin, the person appointed to replace Yoel Roth as Twitter’s new head of trust and safety, asking a “Team” to “please apply heavy VF to @elonje…

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by rootusrootus »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #262
mywittyname wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

Bankruptcy would be really bad for Musk in this case - his creditors will get 10s of billions worth of Tesla shares as collateral.

I have no idea how this works. Did he pledge a particular number of shares, or was it a dollar amount? I.e. if he had to pay up, would it be based on the current value of TSLA, or the value at the time he put them up as collateral?

It could get ugly indeed. Tesla's brand image is slipping, and everything points to that just getting worse. Between Elon as the face of the company, and their seeming inability to deliver a competitive product now that everyone else has started making EVs... well, I wouldn't buy any TSLA for sure. You buy a Tesla now for the supercharger network, everything else is a compromise. That's a shaky place to be.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by CommieBobDole »

alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

I think Musk's behavior (and the behavior of a lot of public figures, really) makes more sense if you assume that he's not saying things to express ideas, but instead regards words as noises that you make with your mouth that cause other people to do or think things; if they stop having the intended effect, you have to change the noises.

It's not hypocrisy, it's the natural outgrowth of seeing other people as a collection of vague moving objects that either do things for you or cause problems for you.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #104
ancapsfascists wrote: post #77

Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

His narrative being petty things like "my pronouns are impeach/Fauci", since that's definitely something to spend $44B for.

I think the predictable right on cue overreaction is hilarious.

Remember: Don't feed the trolls

It's petty, I find it tasteless, but I still must admire how easily he plays everyone.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by eppp »

ptero wrote: post #291
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

I am rarely on twitter (just reading financial macro discussions, for which twitter seems to be a center of excellence), so probably have skewed priors. That said, skimming this information I see nothing particularly bad in banning the account that posted screenshots of internal confidential discussions. This has absolutely nothing to do with the freedom of speech. It is related to breaking the promise (made when joi…

He wasnt an employee....

As a random person on the internet why should I have any issues posting some random company's web chats?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by drooby »

ptato wrote: post #91
drooby wrote: post #71

Twitters relevant policy: “Private information: You may not publish or post other people's private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so. Learn more.” Now.. his fight information is technically “public” but in that same sense, phone numbers and street addresses…

> Elon claimed he would not “ban” the account. And he has not done so. They were suspended. So the argument is that the word he used is different?

The words are different because the actions are different.. Ban does not equal suspend. But ehh.. to be fair. It looks like Twitter still does do permanent suspensions… idk how this is different than a ban. So, if this is a “permanent suspension”.. then sure, it’s essentially the same thing and I would concede my point… but we don’t know.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by aeturnum »

starkd wrote: post #215
Flipflip79 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

It doesn't matter if its publicly available. To aggregate the data in such an easily accessible form is an invitation to crackpots. Few crackpots are going to seek out such information unless they are truly dedicated from the get-go.

Before ElonJet was suspended their pinned tweet pointed out that Twitter's acceptable use policy was that it was ok to republish data generally available elsewhere - which is exactly what this is. It would be illegal to operate the jet and not publish its location.
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