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His commitment to his free speech is unwavering.
Remember all those comments on HN for how right Musk is to decent free speech and how this is definitely going to improve Twitter? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Yes I do.
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#232Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...
Honestly, I doubt it. Bankruptcy puts him under the very direct supervision of the kind of federal judge that does not fuck around. And network-effects businesses like Twitter can do pretty well even when being neglected. I think he might continue to use the spectre of bankruptcy to scare his staff; he clearly likes rule through fear to create a false sense of urgency. That leaves him with people who will do whatever he wants no matter what it means for Twitter's users or society at large, two things Twitter's previous workforce cared about.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
Like what? Musk, the self-proclaimed free speech absolutionist, said he removed most policies and whatnot.
I thought he mentioned increasing the removal of illegal content and ensuring that public discourse wasn't influenced/manipulated, by state actors, overwhelmingly towards one side over another?
The content in question is public and not even a little bit illegal.
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#235I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.
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No, but I'm fine with the feds placing one on your airplane. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a835af
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#236I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…
You are either a free speech absolutist or you are not. The moment you start putting exceptions because you consider it "creepy", then your support of free speech is the same as what most of the population believes in: free speech with limits. It's interesting that you would put this at your limit because this is free and public data.
I do not agree.
Just because I support free speech, doesn't mean I need to know your private medical conditions
Just because I support free speech, doesn't mean we need all potential targets of political assassination to have their schedules always publicly available with arrival and departure times with 10 digit grid coordinates
Just because I support free speech doesn't mean everyone should be able to track everyone else's cell phones, which are a proxy for a person's physical location
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#237A lot of very weird vote brigading happening in this thread.
Get on in here, the echo's fine!
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#238Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
serious question, does free speech extend to doxing? Personally I wouldn't like if there was a twitter that constantly tweeted the location of my car.
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#239Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.
He couldn't possibly. It's just not how any business is run. No idea if he was lying from the start or really was just so starry-eyed at his new toy that he never thought it through. Content moderation is done to maximize the value of the platform. Yishan Wong rightly pointed out that spam is free speech, but we routinely delete it because users hate it. Cloudflare went through the same song and dance about free speech until customers threatened to leave until they severed ties with Daily Stormer. Customers leaving is free speech too. And things like threats, abuse, harassment, doxxing may be the free speech of the abusers, it has the effect of chilling the free speech of victims or potential victims.
There's simply no Libertarian ideal that can be achieved in one place. The Internet as a whole is an absolute haven of free speech. Twitter caters to a certain audience, Facebook to another. They're very broad, but not infinite. There are plenty of other places that cater to the audiences that they don't. And people can always find ways to share their ideas with no interference. The thing they aren't entitle too is reach.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.
Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.
This same account said elsewhere in this thread "I can't think of any", about times Elon Musk has said he would do one thing, then went on to do another. This is someone who is for some reason really trying to defend Musk.