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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by verst »

starkd wrote: post #170
pjc50 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.

This has been discussed many times - the flight data and aircraft registration details are publicly accessible via the FAA. Posting that data in an easily accessible form hardly violates anyone's privacy.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Lev1a »

suyash wrote: post #19
hidelooktropic wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already public. It's just ported over to Twitter.

it should not be linked to VIPs and tracked like this, it's almost as creepy as stalking what this guy did. reported all his accounts.

Would you like ketchup or mustard on this Very Important Boot?

On a more serious note, AFAIK (IANAL) Elon and other celebs are public persons who don't necessarily have the same kind of expectation of privacy since they've chosen to be in the public eye. Meaning unless it's something protected by law like medical records or something done/talked about on their private property out of the public's view they can reasonably expect the public will know/talk about whatever they do.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Sebb767 »

mywittyname wrote: post #85
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

> I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan

Why? What advantage would that bring to him?

Honest question. With him overpaying for Twitter already (maybe not completely voluntary), bankruptcy looks like the fastest way to make the deal even worse.

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Post by starkd »

Flipflip79 wrote: post #171
nodesocket wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

It doesn't matter if its publicly available. To aggregate the data in such an easily accessible form is an invitation to crackpots. Few crackpots are going to seek out such information unless they are truly dedicated from the get-go.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by folkrav »

nodesocket wrote: post #166
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

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https://twitter.com/BillGatesJet https://twitter.com/bezosjets

I guess Musk only sees it as an issue when it's his own privacy innit

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by _ea1k »

pjc50 wrote: post #157
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

Because sometimes they are very relevant. The Kanye ban and the details around it are one example as Kanye clearly wanted people to believe it was for a different reason than it was.

I'm not saying this applies to the ElonJet case, but I can see why the question would be asked.

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Post by potency »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #77

Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

He's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by zarathustreal »

jchw wrote: post #147

On one hand: Elon Musk has clearly directly been involved in having accounts suspended in the past, because it happened when he got upset about parody accounts making fun of him. On the other hand: there's no particular information here yet, regarding the reason why the account was banned, nor does anyone know if Elon Musk actually had anything directly to do with it. Elon Musk has a ton of fanboys who would probably…

Shhhhh.. Stop trying to be reasonable. Embrace the outrage. Remember, if you and everyone around you all say the same thing it becomes true and everyone everywhere believes it

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by minimaxir »

polygamous_bat wrote: post #149
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His narrative being petty things like "my pronouns are impeach/Fauci", since that's definitely something to spend $44B for.

I believe that is only the tip of the iceberg, given anti-vax narrative and transphobia is endlessly repeated by those on the far/alt-right. I see the "Prosecute/Fauci" tweet as a signal towards his intended audience for what kind of place he wants Twitter to be.

It's more that Elon wants positive feedback and there's one only audience that will give it to him at this point.
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