Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
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No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private
ElonJet Is Now Suspended
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#172Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.
Death threats are not covered by free speech, but the location of a jet is not a death threat. I don't think you'll find any legal precedent that says doxing isn't protected speech. Doxing is a bit of forum etiquette and is not considered taboo under other norms.
It's also incorrect to say the jet's location tells you where Elon is. I have a friend who's ridden that jet. My friend isn't Elon, but worked for him
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.
Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."
If you're going to make a claim like "Hacker News X", can you please provide some evidence for this in the form of links to HN comments?
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#174I would report all the other accounts as they can present a security threat. This should be private information in the first place.
How is that exactly a risk for a commercial aircraft unless you fear someone armed with a Stinger missile is out to get you? If they had one, I sincerely doubt they would be using public ADS-B ported to a Twitter account to track you around. You could sometimes track Global Hawk drones above the Black Sea publicly.
>I sincerely doubt they would be using public ADS-B ported to a Twitter account to track you around.
Why not, when it's convenient? It's probably not impossible to get a Stinger missile or similar from one of the current war theaters or black markets.
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#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.
Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Tesla,_Inc.#Musk'... seems like a good start. The rabbit hole itself certainly goes far deeper than anyone could traverse in a few hours.
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#176Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger
I have read the “revelations” and… they weren’t that interesting to be honest. Pretty much what I expected.
Only maybe cause you work in tech (i assume). A lot of people don't know how these content moderation decisions go down. A mix of public rules, subjective parsing of their language, and external pressure. The last one being the one naive people might not really know about.
I think it should be more open and less subjective frankly, especially if the external pressure comes from a government official, which means it should be interpreted in many cases as a threat.
Edit: I think this is kind of the "smoking gun" of the files (8-12): https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598827602403160064
Basically if you give outside actors direct lines to make grievances on content on your platform, you give them special powers to censor content, at the very least boosting the spam/toxic classifiers for stuff they object to. People were not aware of this mechanism.
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#177Dozing a person’s whereabouts isn’t free speech - yes I know you can fish this information out but it’s obvious this is intended to make it easy to figure out where he is. I’m amazed at the replies to this thread arguing this is a speech issue, especially considering the obvious need for heightened security due to what I’d imagine is a flood of death threats.
“fish this information out” makes it sound like it's hard to use any of the common websites which do the same thing. If the goal is security, he either needs to stop flying a personal jet or accept the cost of having adequate physical security where he does. Anyone who was incapable of looking up the jet's location without Twitter is unlikely to be competent enough to pose more risk than they would, say, staking out one of the buildings he frequents.
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#178Anyone who is ${surprised_pikachu.gif} by this hasn't been paying attention.
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#179Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.
> People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason
I'm not sure that's the case. I think many people, myself included, assumed Musk's course was always "just do what's best for me." So he's really just holding to that.
You should give people in your life the benefit of the doubt, but large corporations and billionaires usually found success by acting in their own interest so they will just keep on doing that.
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#180Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456
Banning accounts such as this is not at all inconsistent with banning accounts with the stated intent to track or surveil an individual. Accounts such as this are dangerous and no one needs to know his travel plans. The need for privacy does not interfere with anyone's freedom of speech here.
Flight information provided to the FAA is considered public information. This is funded with taxpayer money, and is not privy to privacy.