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Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Any news from craigslist RE:bot policy update? That low altitude you're flying at can only keep you off radar for so long and you're building your entire business on shaky ground.

Can't you just get everything through RSS feeds? I don't think Craigslist would be able to even tell if you were doing it that way.

You used to be able to easily scrape through CL RSS -> Yahoo! Pipes. Dunno if you're able to these days though.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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It’s unlikely Priceonomics could build a massively successful business arbitraging used goods if we have to take possession of them. Did you consider letting the buyers and sellers do the leg work? Setup a distribution center. Sellers who want to offload stuff scan the items and their details to you and you give them instant, fair quotes. If they like your offer, they bring the items to your center, and you check to…

There are people offering these services, for example Ebay has a Trading Assistant program.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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A bookstore isn't a scalable business either, but Amazon turned it into one. Do you really think there will never be an Amazon of pawn shops?

Well, if you take out the collateralized-loan portion of the business, both Craigslist and eBay fit the bill.

But that is the pawn business. Anything else is a different business entirely, e.g. being a second hand goods dealer.

Pawn shops can deal in second hand goods and often have the licenses for outright purchase (which may be where some of the confusion that I've seen from people originates), but that is not strictly speaking what pawning is.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Exactly. It's a hobby, but while scaling it up is hard to do, it is not impossible. Two stories. I wrote a program awhile back that would look for iPod Touches on my local Craigslist and would analyze the price for many different versions. If an individual iPod was available and was below mean price within a given time frame, I'd send the seller a note almost immediately. Then, if I purchased the item, I'd relist it…

angry emails saying what exactly?

I got a few where people were mad that I simply re-listed their item at a higher price than they sold it for. I'm sure they felt duped for undervaluing their product in the first place. As binarysolo pointed out in this thread, some sellers feel they need to urgently sell their items, so they under-price. I'd could afford to wait for someone to pay my asking price.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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angry emails saying what exactly?

I got a few where people were mad that I simply re-listed their item at a higher price than they sold it for. I'm sure they felt duped for undervaluing their product in the first place. As binarysolo pointed out in this thread, some sellers feel they need to urgently sell their items, so they under-price. I'd could afford to wait for someone to pay my asking price.

i can see where they might be mad, but i can't imagine what exactly they would say that wouldn't sound ludicrous when put into words.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Did you really think arbitrage of used goods could be a business? I think the best thing these types of experiments do is expose pain points and inefficiencies that you can make businesses out of. When I was in my ramen phase of startup life (and newly married), I used to (among other things) buy clothes at local thrift stores and resell them on eBay for a decent margin. You quickly learn what brands/items sell and o…

Stop freaking out about downvotes. They are literally just meaningless numbers on a website.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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err, yes, and I suppose used cars too. Maybe I should have been more specific. But pawn shops don't get into YC and I doubt Cal Worthington ever raised a series C round on Sand Hill Road. Those types raise money via bank loans (if at all) and most people in the valley would call them "lifestyle businesses". My point wasn't if such businesses exist but rather if Priceonomics really thought they could form a scalable b…

This seems like Silicon Valley echo-chamber thinking at it's finest. If your definition of a scalable business is based on the number of VC rounds raised, or which prestigious incubator it comes from, then no, I suppose it's not a scalable business.

No my idea of a scalable business is correct: grow revenue without costs growing proportionally. Software is the perfect example: you write it once and (potentially) sell it infinity times. (Please don't nit pick my definitions unless you fundamentally disagree)

Buying and selling used goods is absolutely not that. You're talking about searching, inspecting, paying (cash), storing inventory, selling, shipping, etc.

And, no, eBay and Craigslist are not examples. They don't buy things. They are a marketplace and that's not what the original post set out to do.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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I used to do lots of reselling and arbitrage on Craigslist during my poor student days. Here's my experience. As a general rule of thumb, always ask for cash. Or ask for a cashier's check if the buyer is not comfortable with carrying large of cash around. Don't accept anything else (e.g. personal check or even paypal).

What about square?

In my experience, many Craigslist buyers (especially of high-value / high-margin items) tend to be rather afraid of buying things on Craigslist, and would be unlikely to swipe their credit card with the seller's phone. Naturally this tendency will vary from market to market, and SF would probably be a good place to experiment with using Square in CL transactions.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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A bookstore isn't a scalable business either, but Amazon turned it into one. Do you really think there will never be an Amazon of pawn shops?

Well, if you take out the collateralized-loan portion of the business, both Craigslist and eBay fit the bill.

Not at all. They are platforms/marketplaces who collect fees for bringing buyers and sellers together (or employers and job seekers).

They do not keep inventory or buy anything.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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I can't tell if this is a joke or not? Some frail guys can't hack lugging chairs around so it's not a viable business model for anyone? This is a very viable business that you guys feel too entitled for. Open your eyes and guess what a pawn shop, antique store, used office furniture dealer, or IT equipment reseller do. It's not far off from this, but they aren't bitching about it and plugging a silly website.

it doesn't scale as well in terms of profits versus man-hours as the business models they're used to.
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