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Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#11
I still dont get what priceonomics provides that craigslist or ebay doesnt.

Craigslist:

* Listings have "ASKING" prices and can easily negotiated down 5-20%. So even if you provide a historical information of "Asking Prices", its still not a 1-1 relationship to how much you expect to sell your item for or its "BUYING" price

* I do question the value of historical information on CL: Its never been available, therefore neither buyer nor seller expect it and their view of the marketplace is limited to the time they hit search. And it is this view that they will use to determine a good price for an item. When I need to buy something that I need NOW, I try to choose the nearest, cheapest item, satisfying my requirements that is CURRENTLY available. Historical information doesnt come into play.

Ebay:

* Since I already have access to historical information(completed items) and I can use it to figure out how much to sell my stuff for, I dont see what Priceonomics bring to the table here.

Again Im trying to figure out where you guys are going with this. From technology standpoint, all this content scraping, indexing and searching is interesting, but what problem are you solving and how do you plan to make money with it(short of arbitrage of aerons)

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#12
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It's worth noting that $300 for a day of manual work is considered a good salary in many parts of the country (and even in San Francisco).

$300 for three guys.

Once you factor in the girlfriend subsidy, they would have made better money with far less risk by getting shifts at local fast food restaurants.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#13
My roommate in grad school did this. He'd buy toys on clearance from local toystores, and then sell them on EBay for twice the price. He wasn't selective at all w/ respect to the actual toy. Just looked for large markdowns.

He made decent money, but said that putting stuff in boxes and going to the post office was a hassle. He eventually stopped -- he was finishing med school at the time.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#14
Did you really think arbitrage of used goods could be a business? I think the best thing these types of experiments do is expose pain points and inefficiencies that you can make businesses out of.

When I was in my ramen phase of startup life (and newly married), I used to (among other things) buy clothes at local thrift stores and resell them on eBay for a decent margin. You quickly learn what brands/items sell and occasionally I'd hit gold and find a vintage Hawaiian shirt that fetches $200 (and cost $2).

In the end though, you realize it's just a way to make some extra money. It's not a "business" IMO–and definitely not a scalable business. But you learn what sucks (like dealing with shipping & getting photos from a camera to eBay pre-Smartphone) and realize other people also feel that pain. That's where your business is.

UPDATE: Downvotes, seriously? Read my reply down this thread. Some people on here are, frankly, ridiculous and have no clue how to engage in a meaningful discussion.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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post #3

It's worth noting that $300 for a day of manual work is considered a good salary in many parts of the country (and even in San Francisco).

Why is your conclusion that it can't scale? You are making 20% profit on these chairs. There are many people you can pay 30% of your margin and they'd be happy. You can automate the buying and selling, sourcing people who can do the "heavy lifting." Actually, you can use your site to facilitate it.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree 100%. However we had to front $1500 in capital and we nearly lost it all when the check initially wouldn't clear.

I used to do lots of reselling and arbitrage on Craigslist during my poor student days. Here's my experience. As a general rule of thumb, always ask for cash. Or ask for a cashier's check if the buyer is not comfortable with carrying large of cash around. Don't accept anything else (e.g. personal check or even paypal).

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Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

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One additional point not mentioned in the post (written by me). If you buy a used Aeron chair, it's very likely you can sell it for the same price a couple of years later. Essentially you can lease the chair for free.

This point also applies to the $1 chair.

The $1 chair is very unlikely to still be a chair in a couple of years if it is sat upon for ~4160 hours. Perhaps you could still sell it for $1 as firewood, though.

If you're happy with a "doordesk" and a metal or wooden folding chair, more power to you. I bought my own personal Aeron years ago, I've used it at multiple different companies and at home when I was freelancing. In the approximately 10 years I've been sitting very comfortably on that ~$800 chair I've gone through dozens of thousands of dollars of now obsolete computer equipment (desktops and laptops). From that perspective combined with the fact that the chair is still in very much like-new condition, even paying $800 for it was well worth it, IMO.

I'm also quite fond of the Ikea Galant height adjustable desk I also bought ~6 years ago, and that one doesn't have the premium price of the Aeron. I do like a good value... IME, the Aeron actually is a good value despite the high price.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#18
It’s unlikely Priceonomics could build a massively successful business arbitraging used goods if we have to take possession of them.

Did you consider letting the buyers and sellers do the leg work?

Setup a distribution center. Sellers who want to offload stuff scan the items and their details to you and you give them instant, fair quotes. If they like your offer, they bring the items to your center, and you check to make sure everything is as it was stated.

You put the items, their details and their new prices (with your margin markup) online for buyers to peruse. If interested, they'll come by and pick up whatever they want.

Like an online pawn store w/ local centers, except there's no pawning, just selling & buying.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#19
there have been stories of people who scavenge for used/old/rare books and resell them for an exhorbitant mark up (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2010/10/confes...)

some arbitrage of used goods can be a business; but it ultimately depends on the effort required and sustainable the income generated.

Re: Adventures in Aeron Chair Arbitrage

#20

Did you really think arbitrage of used goods could be a business? I think the best thing these types of experiments do is expose pain points and inefficiencies that you can make businesses out of. When I was in my ramen phase of startup life (and newly married), I used to (among other things) buy clothes at local thrift stores and resell them on eBay for a decent margin. You quickly learn what brands/items sell and o…

> Did you really think arbitrage of used goods could be a business?

Yes. Some examples (depending on how loose you want to get with the term arbitrage. I'm using it as its used in this article) would include antiques/collectibles and used cars.

It's obviously much better to operate in areas where 1) value is unclear and/or 2) goods may take time to sell.

With those things, you can get an advantage by knowing the value and by being able to hold onto something until it sells for a proper value.

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