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With 8% of NZ smoking and that number apparently falling, can you state the problem?
> She added that the legislation could close the life expectancy between Maori and non-Maori citizens. The overall smoking rate for Maori citizens is at 19.9% - down from last year's figure of 22.3%. 8% among general population but 19.9% among Maori.
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But I don't understand that, if we're operating on under the premise that smoking is bad for all (which it is), then why not ban it for all now? Thats sets a horrible precedent.
Because older people already got addicted while it was legal seems like a pragmatic decision (and... "sets a horrible precedent" for what?)
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>"But yes, alcohol is harmful but I think smoking is even more so." I disagree. Also alcoholics harm many other people around them
See, I’m old enough to remember holding my breath to get past a throng of chain-smokers when they’d gas out a restaurant or clog the front of a store.
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>"But yes, alcohol is harmful but I think smoking is even more so." I disagree. Also alcoholics harm many other people around them
See, I’m old enough to remember holding my breath to get past a throng of chain-smokers when they’d gas out a restaurant or clog the front of a store.
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Really not clear. Nicotine isn't very good for your vasculature system and the vehicles (like PEG) aren't really a good thing to be breathing.
They're still not as bad as ammonia and smoke. Edit: It hit me that over the next few decades they are probably going to invent some really nasty things to put in vapes, like they did with cigarettes (that were made to be a lot worse than the "mere" nicotine and smoke inhalation of tobacco smoking), so don't read this in 20 years thinking that people in the past thought whatever they're doing in the future is safer t…
PEG is a common vehicle; some molecular weights are so safe they aren't even regulated (called GRAS -- "generally regarded as safe") and some are quite toxic. If you were making the drug delivery device for some pharmaceutical your delivery system would be closely regulated to make sure both drug and vehicle were safely administered at all times. But these drugs are not regulated and neither are their delivery systems. You can sell whatever the hell you like.
It's similar to tattoo inks -- some are OK some are really bad (like copper or sooty inks), but all the FDA can do is post some web pages rather than require safe inks.
actually discussed here, but it didn't gain a lot of points, so not much visibility for such big news https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33967454
It was talked about for a day or two when it was announced a while back - I haven't seen a single news article about it recently, nor has anyone talked about it. The opposition political parties haven't made a big deal out of it either that I've noticed.
I don't think anyone really cares. With vaping still being allowed - it's all a bit moot. Anyone born after 2008 is going to be buying a vape.
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> She added that the legislation could close the life expectancy between Maori and non-Maori citizens. The overall smoking rate for Maori citizens is at 19.9% - down from last year's figure of 22.3%. 8% among general population but 19.9% among Maori.
And falling rapidly.
Not just cigarettes — all tobacco products. How very appalling. Smoking is a human right. Pipes smell wonderful; tobacco generally tastes great and has a positive effect on one’s mood and attention. Sad day for New Zealanders.
That zeal. From what I heared, anti-drug laws may be construed is that selling is a different matter and possession and production are accessory. That's why possession of small amounts of cannabis for example is decriminalized while traffiking is still prossecuted where I'm from. This is arguable because addictive substances will be sold with the intention of creating dependence, not unlike the loot box topic, thus i…
Even Freud once said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". There is no scientific basis for the whole "oral fixation", so calling it "childish" is pretty ignorant.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_stage
Edit: "Contradicting the Freudian psychosexual development concept of oral-stage fixation, the Duration of Breast-feeding and the Incidence of Smoking (2003) study of 87 participants reported no causal relation between the breast-feeding period and whether or not a child matures into a person who smokes."
As nonsmoker I'm strongly against this, when did alcohol prohibition, war on drugs or their COVID restrictions worked? You will just anger people and it seems completely unnecessary considering there is steady decline in smokers and there are surely more dangerous issues to deal with, in case of NZ it would be pandemic of obesity.
Assisted suicide is legal in New Zealand. What if I want to smoke myself to death? Absolutism from the state is so noxious. Make cigarettes prohibitively expensive and difficult to acquire sure. But complete prohibition is an infringement on our natural right to decide what to consume.