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> prohibition has always been a questionable idea Any data on it having counter effect on the actual consumption and prevelance? I believe are the negatives were secondary but it was effective in primary goals.
When the US raised the drinking age from 18 to 21, binge drinking in college skyrocketed. Alcohol producers are now some of the staunchest defenders of our current drinking age.
New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
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Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#62Why do they think this won't increase the allure of cigarettes in general? Feels like prohibition has always been a questionable idea, regardless of what its target is, and it has pretty much never worked as expected. It's especially awkward given that people's interest in tobacco has already fallen to new lows without it (the article suggests only 8% of the adult population smokes now), so it feels like it could be…
In 2 generations, I'm not sure why anyone would be making cigarettes...when they could make alcohol easier.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#63Why stop there, why not ban alcohol and sugar as well? But don't touch my coffee - I need that. I'm not totally against government regulating vice, I do wish it was done at a local level so that in the spirit of federalization we can see what works and what doesn't in small experiments before other states would voluntarily adopt it. NZ is a small state so not too many people will be impacted. I do think in an environ…
>> Canadian style widely encouraged assisted suicide model Canadian here; we're pretty much the polar opposite of our southern neighbours and I'd argue both of us are too extreme in our approach to health care, but I don't think you can accurately argue we have a "widely encouraged" model for ending your own life; except maybe compared to some states where life starts at ejaculation. There's a big difference between…
We see this type of abuse everywhere it is legalized.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#64Why stop there, why not ban alcohol and sugar as well? But don't touch my coffee - I need that. I'm not totally against government regulating vice, I do wish it was done at a local level so that in the spirit of federalization we can see what works and what doesn't in small experiments before other states would voluntarily adopt it. NZ is a small state so not too many people will be impacted. I do think in an environ…
>> Canadian style widely encouraged assisted suicide model Canadian here; we're pretty much the polar opposite of our southern neighbours and I'd argue both of us are too extreme in our approach to health care, but I don't think you can accurately argue we have a "widely encouraged" model for ending your own life; except maybe compared to some states where life starts at ejaculation. There's a big difference between…
Personally I'd love for more research into ME/CFS and Long Covid but I'm pretty sure it'll get pushed into the too hard basket and MAiD will be over used as the easy solution.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#65What are they going to provide as an alternative to nicotine? People start using it for a reason
Does anyone actually start smoking because they need nicotine? I've never heard that. It's always been peer pressure and only then do they get dependent on the nicotine.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#66> The new legislation does not ban vape products, which have become far more popular among younger generations than cigarettes.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#67What are they going to provide as an alternative to nicotine? People start using it for a reason
Does anyone actually start smoking because they need nicotine? I've never heard that. It's always been peer pressure and only then do they get dependent on the nicotine.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#68What are they going to provide as an alternative to nicotine? People start using it for a reason
Does anyone actually start smoking because they need nicotine? I've never heard that. It's always been peer pressure and only then do they get dependent on the nicotine.
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Does anyone actually start smoking because they need nicotine? I've never heard that. It's always been peer pressure and only then do they get dependent on the nicotine.
Good point. What are they going to do to make me look cool then? Vaping (especially in cooler weather) looks ridiculous.
Re: New Zealand passes legislation banning cigarettes for future generations
#70How generous of the grown ups to ban things for other people but not yourself. Like it's objectively a good thing but it seems so silly and immature to me. How good could society be by now if we could get every generation to pass restrictions on the vices of the next generation only, I suppose. Edit: I know talking about down voting is discouraged, but since I'm being downvoted, why not go further? Alcohol is also ob…
It’s absurdly addictive. And as I understand it smoking as we know it has more to do with marketing and the intentional suppression of research indicating serious harm than anything else. Hell, I might liken it to generational trauma. I’m not sure of the specifics. Does the law prevent you from growing and curing your own tobacco? There might be something important there - I don’t think folks would make their own cig…