Every time I see articles talking about this subject, it's always completely focused on Twitch streamers that stream for a living. I would be more interested in hearing the contrast with streamers who stream for fun/not for a living. Which problems are the same between the two groups and which are unique?
On Twitch, you can never log off
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#42Surprised this doesn't mention Asmongold. He just took months off from streaming and just came back like last week, and already just hit over 50,000 paid subscribers again. (In those months off he was streaming on his non-monetized alt channel where he doesn't feel any pressure with streaming and earns nothing.) Streamers have to also be doing YouTube or creating alternate revenue streams because live streaming will…
He's an exception to the rule. Same with Shroud, Dr. Disrespect, etc. In fact there's a whole bunch of OG streamers who can play literally any game they want and they still have strong following (LIRIK, Soda, etc.) simply because they grinded out early on. Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time), they can't take breaks or switch games without a huge dip in followers, and…
> Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time)
Sentences like that show me how far removed my twitch experience is from others. Middle of the road, 1-2k viewers. The biggest thing I watch has 200 something viewers, sometimes with a raid(s) we reach 300-500.
Recently, I watched CohCarnage (because he had early access to an alpha releasing the next day), and he had a few thousand viewers. Chat was just a constant stream of letters. Impossible to have a conversation or even keep up with what’s going on. I disabled the chat a few minutes in, I do not get the appeal of mega streams.
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#43Twitch has become a much lower risk more rewarding place for many creators who want to make "low effort" content in respect to edited/curated videos. Earlier this week a content creator with ~4,000-5,000 average concurrent viewers (~300th biggest by follow count) leaked his "bounty board" of advertisements he could show to his viewers, this included a $1195 "bounty" to watch a 1 minute trailer and a $7365 "bounty" to…
Was that Asmon?
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week
The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.
Yes and no.
The problem is financial position seems to have trajectory.
And with financial inequality widening all the time you don't want to be on the wrong side of the "middle" line if you can help it.
For example: Less impressive house vs more impressive house with year on year compounding of % increase in value over 20 years. When the houses are both worth double what they were, the more impressive house has gained financial ground.
You may live out your life fine in your less impressive house. But now your kids inherit a house worth substantially less compared to their more impressive house peers - hence the comment on trajectory.
Whether that matters to you is for you to decide. It's the difference in thinking between a lifetime vs a dynasty.
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#45I watch a streamer (cooking) with a bunch of autoimmune diseases. She has a lot fewer people watching than anyone mentioned here (30-100, but a far higher percent than normal donate), but she’s also scared of taking days off, mainly because she knows it’s a job. It makes me sad when I see her stream while one of her diseases is flaring up, but unlike the rich streamers, they need the money.
I hope they live somewhere with good healthcare, this is sad :(
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#46I watch a streamer (cooking) with a bunch of autoimmune diseases. She has a lot fewer people watching than anyone mentioned here (30-100, but a far higher percent than normal donate), but she’s also scared of taking days off, mainly because she knows it’s a job. It makes me sad when I see her stream while one of her diseases is flaring up, but unlike the rich streamers, they need the money.
I hope they live somewhere with good healthcare, this is sad :(
AUS, care for her diseases is pretty much covered. But paid days off of twitch are not a thing.
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#47Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw i…
> I feel very little sympathy for millionaires who commentate Youtube all day for a living for being incapable of managing their own lives like adults.
I mean, both getting yourself to the point (especially if you were not born upper class) where you realize you need a therapist/trainer/personal assistant and actually finding good people at those is incredibly difficult.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week
The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.
Like housing, healthcare and education, and anything kid related is free
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#49Every time I see articles talking about this subject, it's always completely focused on Twitch streamers that stream for a living. I would be more interested in hearing the contrast with streamers who stream for fun/not for a living. Which problems are the same between the two groups and which are unique?
> Every time I see articles talking about this subject, it's always completely focused on Twitch streamers that stream for a living.
Because, for the most part, those are the only people affected by these problems. If you don't stream with the intent to maximize your viewer counts and profits at all costs - stream when you feel like it, play what you want, don't chase trends, don't encourage parasocial relationships - you're basically immune to most of these issues.
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#50I watch a streamer (cooking) with a bunch of autoimmune diseases. She has a lot fewer people watching than anyone mentioned here (30-100, but a far higher percent than normal donate), but she’s also scared of taking days off, mainly because she knows it’s a job. It makes me sad when I see her stream while one of her diseases is flaring up, but unlike the rich streamers, they need the money.
At her size, unless she needs to take ~weeks off per month, and more importantly, at unpredictable intervals, she can afford to stream fewer days. Too many of them are incorrectly assuming that they need to stream daily, when (e.g.) MWF will suffice. What many viewers value over long streaming hours is predictable streaming hours[*].
I've observed many promising streamers stream daily and for too long, burn out, then unable to stick to even a reduced streaming schedule, thereby losing a substantial fraction of their viewers in the process. Then they became more demotivated, got sucked into a negative feedback cycle, and eventually quit streaming altogether. :-/
[*] Of course all else being equal, more time streaming ~ more income, but it's not sustainable, unless you're Amaranth & has an abusive spouse as her task master.