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On Twitch, you can never log off

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Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Yeah but it’s everywhere, you have to keep earning or you become irrelevant. Otherwise I’d be working 10-20 hrs a week

The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.

The vast majority of people making a living on Twitch and streaming full time aren't getting rich from it.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Seems like a lot of streamers think that streaming = not working. By the time they realize streaming is a job, they're burnt out. I respect the hell out of Ludwig for this. He treats streaming like a business, and his success speaks for itself. He doesn't foster parasocial relationships, and he avoids as much of the petty streamer drama that he possibly can. He's now transitioned towards large productions that draw i…

It does all seem to come down to, "there is no such thing as a free lunch"

Making money takes work, no matter what you do. If it doesn't take work, then lots of people will do it, the market is flooded, and it won't make much money anymore.

This is simply unavoidable.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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Surprised this doesn't mention Asmongold. He just took months off from streaming and just came back like last week, and already just hit over 50,000 paid subscribers again. (In those months off he was streaming on his non-monetized alt channel where he doesn't feel any pressure with streaming and earns nothing.) Streamers have to also be doing YouTube or creating alternate revenue streams because live streaming will…

He's an exception to the rule. Same with Shroud, Dr. Disrespect, etc. In fact there's a whole bunch of OG streamers who can play literally any game they want and they still have strong following (LIRIK, Soda, etc.) simply because they grinded out early on. Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time), they can't take breaks or switch games without a huge dip in followers, and…

I've always watched streamers mostly based on the personality rather than whatever game they happen to be playing. If anything it's more interesting to watch someone I'm familiar with try out a new game.

Looking at stats though it seems like I'm in the minority - switching games kills viewership for most streamers (at least in the short term).

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.

I can’t scale down work to 1/4 hours and just get paid 1/4 it’s all or nothing.

You might be surprised, if you actually tried.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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I treat my media creation as a business. Hours in and ROI are important, especially since I have a family and also try to keep their lives out of my online presence. I looked at adding occasional Twitch livestreams to my output but quickly realized to make it return any kind of sustainable income, you have to practically "become a streamer". There's no slow on-ramp like with YouTube, where you could start earning inc…

A friend wants to start a channel. My instinct was that’s a very long shot (pointless even), but I told them I’d help if I could. Any advice for starting on YouTube?

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

#36

I treat my media creation as a business. Hours in and ROI are important, especially since I have a family and also try to keep their lives out of my online presence. I looked at adding occasional Twitch livestreams to my output but quickly realized to make it return any kind of sustainable income, you have to practically "become a streamer". There's no slow on-ramp like with YouTube, where you could start earning inc…

Maybe youtube streaming is the answer, produce unedited streams some time when you feel like it, hire an editor or edit yourself if you have the time to get the highlights and it might also help grow your youtube audience which will bring in some passive income.

I agree twitch isn't sustainable or even good for anyone. I've been caught in it and quite addicted for the past year, finding in it another form of escapism that's in my opinion more harmful than youtube. On youtube eventually I run out of stuff and grow bored for a while. On twitch that rarely happens, mainly because it's more engaging to watch something live than a youtube highlight of the game, I can interact with chat live and backseat the gamers even though I'm ignored most of the time that's more engaging than passively watching a youtube video where I can provide no input.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way out is to just consume less. Have a less impressive house, have a second hand phone, cook your own food. And then you can work less in return.

I can’t scale down work to 1/4 hours and just get paid 1/4 it’s all or nothing.

The majority of companies I have worked for allow you to take unpaid time off. Maybe not to the point of 1/4th work, but you can pretty realistically get a 4 day work week this way.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

#38
post #29

Surprised this doesn't mention Asmongold. He just took months off from streaming and just came back like last week, and already just hit over 50,000 paid subscribers again. (In those months off he was streaming on his non-monetized alt channel where he doesn't feel any pressure with streaming and earns nothing.) Streamers have to also be doing YouTube or creating alternate revenue streams because live streaming will…

He's an exception to the rule. Same with Shroud, Dr. Disrespect, etc. In fact there's a whole bunch of OG streamers who can play literally any game they want and they still have strong following (LIRIK, Soda, etc.) simply because they grinded out early on. Whereas for the middle of the road streamer (let's say 1-2k viewers at any given time), they can't take breaks or switch games without a huge dip in followers, and…

I disagree. It might feel like that but I don't think that's true, talking from personal experience. I mostly watch hearthstone streamers and when they're streaming something else their viewership does indeed drop but that doesn't mean I unfollow, just switch streams since there's 10 other options at any given time. I will come back to their stream or check them out again eventually because I'm not really committed to any particular one, I even sometimes have 2-3 streams open and switch every few minutes.

I know, it fucks up my time and attention span and it's not good for me but if I'm representative then they have nothing to worry about. I think they're mostly scared to even experiment because they know they're small and are too afraid to rock the boat

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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post #35

I treat my media creation as a business. Hours in and ROI are important, especially since I have a family and also try to keep their lives out of my online presence. I looked at adding occasional Twitch livestreams to my output but quickly realized to make it return any kind of sustainable income, you have to practically "become a streamer". There's no slow on-ramp like with YouTube, where you could start earning inc…

A friend wants to start a channel. My instinct was that’s a very long shot (pointless even), but I told them I’d help if I could. Any advice for starting on YouTube?

Find an underserved niche and start feeding it.

Re: On Twitch, you can never log off

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I watch a streamer (cooking) with a bunch of autoimmune diseases. She has a lot fewer people watching than anyone mentioned here (30-100, but a far higher percent than normal donate), but she’s also scared of taking days off, mainly because she knows it’s a job. It makes me sad when I see her stream while one of her diseases is flaring up, but unlike the rich streamers, they need the money.
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