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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by skipnup »

account-5 wrote: post #339
skipnup wrote: post #130

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My computer ran well with Linux with one display after instaing Linux. Then I tried to use a second, daisy chained, Displayport display. And the mess began. Confusing tips on forums, confusing and experimental drivers to install... And so on. Didn't manage to get it running.

The thing with Linux is it gets blamed for lack of vendor support. If something doesn't work with Linux it's Linux's fault, if something doesn't work with windows it's the vendors fault. That's never seemed fair to me. Those confusing and experimental drivers you mention are unlikely to be provided by the vendor and are likely a volunteer's best efforts to reverse engineer the driver As a counter point my old wireles…

In this case (it's was couple of years ago) it was a beta release by the manufacturer.

Thing is, to me as an end user it doesn't matter who's at fault, if it doesn't work it doesn't work and I'm only so motivated to investigate something (functionality wise) basic not working while on Windows all the basics run fine but the advanced stuff creates problems. With Linux on desktop I never arrived at the advanced stuff giving up at (some of) the basic stuff not working out of the box.

But I fully understand, from a technical standpoint drivers and daisy chained display probably aren't basic and Windows has hidden als the complexity from me for the last 20 years.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by JadeNB »

Maxburn wrote: post #649
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> What are you using for a music replacement app? My library is 32GB now and I don't think I'm using any of the other itunes features these days, just using it as the path to sideload MP3s. After fighting a long time to own my music, I have to admit I got tired of maintaining a library, and mostly listen on Spotify these days. But I never liked the library-based model anyway, and so (when still dipping into my own li…

epub; BookFusion. No mac app but the web reader might work for you. Sync reading position and notes between devices. I just read a lot of books and it works great for that. It even has a cablbre plugin used to upload books to it. https://www.bookfusion.com

> epub; BookFusion. No mac app but the web reader might work for you. Sync reading position and notes between devices. I just read a lot of books and it works great for that. It even has a cablbre plugin used to upload books to it.

Thank you for the recommendation! Having to sign in is even less appealing to me than being forced to maintain a library, but it's good to have the option.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Gordonjcp »

ugjka wrote: post #412
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> get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux Use a distro released some time in the last 20 years?

There are still a lot of wireless chipsets out there that suck ASS. If you want to get good support, just get whatever hardware most kernel developers use

I learnt my lesson 20 years ago when WiFi was a thing at first, that if you buy cheap crappy no-name WiFi cards, nothing is going to support them right, not even the manufacturer's drivers.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by wilsonnb3 »

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> Now, recently I had a startling realization: it's actually easier now to get many of the games I love running on Wine (with or without steam) than it is on Windows. The performance is great. I find this hard to believe unless you are talking about older or indie games.

Almost all Steam games (old and new) run on Linux with no further modifications. I'm running Elden Ring, Dark Souls I Remastered, DS2 SotFS, DS3, GTA V, Sekiro, Valheim, XCOM 2, Hellblade, Noita, BioShock Remastered and Infinite, Celeste, and dozens of others. This is a relatively recent development, and the only "technical" thing I've had to do is tell Steam to run games not verified for Linux with Proton. You don't…

Proton is a great piece of tech and gaming on Linux is the best it has ever been but we are far from a world where Windows and Linux are equals at gaming.

When you want a play a specific game it is still the case that it might work on Linux. If the game is on Steam and doesn't have multiplayer you can update the might work to probably will work.

However, the comment I was responding to was claiming that running games on Linux was easier than Windows, which is only the case for old games. Their claim that performance is great is also a bit suspect since most games will perform worse on Linux than Windows but performance is usually "good enough" on Linux so I can see where they are coming from.

Anyways, I agree with the people in this thread saying that gaming on Linux is great and a viable option but (as per usual) people are hyping up Proton and Lutris and Linux to be better than they are. Windows is still by far the best choice if you want to play games on a PC.

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Post by tapoxi »

iuafhiuah wrote: post #108
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Anti-Cheat. Most multiplayer shooters will refuse to run under Linux.

Most is a stretch. The FPS in the top 100 currently most popular games on Steam[0] and their status [1]: #01 CS:GO - native #04 PUBG - anticheat #05 CoD MW2 - anticheat #06 Apex - Works (it has anticheat that works on Linux) #07 TF2 - native #09 Rust - Works #12 Destiny 2 - anticheat #21 Rainbow 6 - anticheat #22 DayZ - Works (it has anticheat that works on Linux) #26 Warframe - Works #69 Payday2 - Works #78 Arma 3 -…

I'm probably spectacularly unlucky as I play Siege, Destiny 2, CoD MW2, Hunt Showdown (#63), and the occasional Fortnite (EGS) and Valorant (Riot), none of which work.

Battlefield 2042 is on Steam but not supported, though I'm not sure if that's the anti-cheat solution or Proton.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by kjs3 »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

It's a deceptive dark pattern not a bug and you know it. How incredibly condescending.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by kjs3 »

jakogut wrote: post #140
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On the contrary, Linux is in a good position for the same reason you think it isn't. As the desktop/laptop market shrinks to advanced users, it loses the long tail of users who weren't technically capable enough to switch. At the same time, WINE/proton and even some native ports have vastly improved the gaming scene on Linux, and a decent chunk of non-gaming applications too. Sure, there will always be certain busine…

> Sure, there will always be certain business applications that refuse to work on anything but actual Windows I disagree with this statement, especially in the case where there's somebody motivated enough to patch Wine to support specific applications. At the end of the day, Windows applications expect a set of interfaces. As long as those interfaces exist and work as expected, the application will work.

Not all issues are technical issues. There might be licensing reasons why 'actual Windows' is required. Such nonsense is not unknown.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by nicce »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #611
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I encapsulated my old windows machine into a VM - it gets fired up to run Quicken and another accounting program for which there are no reasonable client based substitutes. The VM boots fast, I have a "safe" copy of the VM image incase of a viral compromise, and it's out of the way of my normal workflow. Windows machine free for about a decade.

Do you have any pointers to how to do this? I have a dual-boot Win7 machine I would like to have run Windows as a VM in Linux, to keep the proprietary executables I need for work running with a smaller security footprint.

If you have Windows installed on separate hard drive (or partition), you can boot it directly with Qemu in Linux. No need to do anything fancy, just use existing installation. If you have two graphic cards, it is even more fancier with GPU passthrough.

Something here, might not be the best guide: https://superuser.com/questions/342719/how-to-boot-a-physica...

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Post by hyperman1 »

112233 wrote: post #618
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Bitwig is available on Linux now and works great in my experience. I actually prefer it to Ableton anyway.

Second the Bitwig, with a caveat: Read the Manual or Suffer. There are a alot of absolutely non-obvious UI rakes you can step on, can be really off-putting if messing around blindly (from the top of my head: if you accidenly turn on clip player for a track, it will not play the timeline; not disabling polyphony will prevent your Note Grid from running continuously; microtonal notes are being sent to MIDI differently…

Thanks! I think I'll print that sentence on A2 paper with 72 point font, an tape it on our helpdesk:

Read the Manual or Suffer.

Maybe get someone with a God's Booming Voice to speak it in the phone voice mail message , too.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by l0b0 »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #654
l0b0 wrote: post #495

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Almost all Steam games (old and new) run on Linux with no further modifications. I'm running Elden Ring, Dark Souls I Remastered, DS2 SotFS, DS3, GTA V, Sekiro, Valheim, XCOM 2, Hellblade, Noita, BioShock Remastered and Infinite, Celeste, and dozens of others. This is a relatively recent development, and the only "technical" thing I've had to do is tell Steam to run games not verified for Linux with Proton. You don't…

Proton is a great piece of tech and gaming on Linux is the best it has ever been but we are far from a world where Windows and Linux are equals at gaming. When you want a play a specific game it is still the case that it might work on Linux. If the game is on Steam and doesn't have multiplayer you can update the might work to probably will work. However, the comment I was responding to was claiming that running games…

I don't know what your sources are, but for me Linux recently took over prime position for gaming. I've been dual-booting since forever, but it's many months between every time I boot up Windows, and every time I'm now reminded that the lead it had is gone except for one thing:

- The performance difference is small enough that I don't notice.

- Audio setup is now easier in Linux (using PulseAudio and, since ~6 months, PipeWire). I had the worst time getting Windows to output to the right place.

- I can't remember the last game which didn't work in Steam on Linux, even if it's not officially supported. They do have a huge incentive to improve Linux support now that their handheld console is running it.

- Windows supports more than 8 bits per colour channel. The setup is annoying and fiddly, and it doesn't always work, but damn does Elden Ring look good in HDR.

I've been using the official AMD/NVIDIA drivers (on both platforms) most of this time. The NVIDIA driver kept crashing things so often I switched, and the AMD driver has been rock solid.

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