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Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wider point is that, despite some of the most draconian lockdowns on earth, Australia hasn't escaped Covid.

Wasn't that supposed to buy them time until they got everyone vaccinated?

It looks like Sweden approach by not doing lockdowns was better.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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It’s going to be really interesting for epidemiologists to analyze all this data. “Covid deaths” is an incredibly subjective data point and it’s clear countries don’t all measure it the same. But deaths are deaths, so comparing “excess mortality” during and after Covid will give a much more objective picture of how different approaches worked. But it will be important to look at excess mortality for years after Covid…

Sweden was back to normal already in 2021. It could be because Sweden didn't follow WHO with lockdowns.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #9

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While covid (or the covid spike toxicity) no doubt is playing a role in the background, most is just a hospital system that already stretched. it might be not evident to people further afield, but a lot of aussies don't like to travel an hour or two to a larger hospital's A&E, put up with the long lines of people waiting, along with the waiting room being a crowded space just full of nasty bugs -- it's no hard questi…

Good grief. Don't mess around with vascular symptoms like that. Though I'm not one to talk, I once waited out my legs going paralyzed (I got better! ..mostly.) It's saddening to hear that Australia's hospital system is overloaded like the US's. Nurses are burnt out and leaving in droves, and we're not even giving them a raise. I'm amazed how little emergency workers seem to be valued after a major emergency.

Legs paralysed ... nerve / spine damage, B12 or other? I'd like to think if that happened I'd got medical help but I have a history of ignoring really bad problems.

Yep, unfortunately when one is suffering, thinking smart isn't the first reaction. I could write a few pages on how stupid I've been the last couple of years in regard to my health - the cut leg writes like a comedy, but here I am, still waiting for the local hospital to settle and covid related problems to pass. Some people like to think it's gone away, but driving my Mother down to the very same local hospital today so that can take blood for bloodwork, she missed out, it closed early due to a current staff shortage, no doubt they were off sick, there's a fourth or fifth wave on the go in my locale.

The hospital system is basically free here, and there's a certain proportion of the "but I have to pay lots of taxes" crowd who don't like money wasted on less fortunate people, and they've got a friend in a certain political party -- as such most hospitals, spend a term or two where they have been weighted down so it's almost enough, but not quite enough. The Federal govt control the purse, and with the pandemic arriving in 2020, you'd think the first thing would be to ready the medical troops. Sadly the Fed bunch were unequivocal boneheads. When eventually in 2021 they forced my state's hand, the Fed bunch outright refused more hospital funding. No worries though, the public let them know at the next election, they got voted out, they keep on losing subsequent state elections as well ... and are "stumped" as to what they did wrong ... lol.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wider point is that, despite some of the most draconian lockdowns on earth, Australia hasn't escaped Covid.

Wasn't that supposed to buy them time until they got everyone vaccinated?

Tell me about it. I was told many times that we should have "locked down harder", like "sensible countries" including Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #20

This is certainly worrying to some degree given that Australia wanted to buy time by isolating itself from the rest of the world until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. And with 97.3% of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose [0] they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front. At this point, either the vaccine works as claimed, in which case we shouldn't be seeing these numbers, or it doesn't. [0] https://w…

Of course the vaccine helped but their effectiveness wanes after a few months. Additionally, even being vaccinated, catching covid can still take a small toll on the body. I know people who were up to date with their covid shots, but have caught covid-19 strains three times, (in other words they got tested to confirm) more often they wear clear signs of the impact having it so frequently has had on them.

The covid spike toxicity due to the spike being present from being administered "most" vaccines and covid-19 itself, is my guess for the reason there's similar problems in both groups, albeit, to a very much smaller extent with vaccinated people. I know first hand a couple of people who reported a serious issue with the vaccines, in particular one was a nurse who's got a couple of young kids, but back at work, working at the local hospital, telling me she now needs to be fitted with a pace maker after she reacted to her vaccine shot. My next door neighbour who's slightly older in her late 30s, possibly early 40s, was fit, not fat, was anti vaxx, caught covid a few months back iirc, had a mild case in so much as she was handed medication and asked to ride it out back at her own residence, and afterwards with about the same mind set on vaccines ... I hadn't seen her in a bit, spoke to her last week, she's a couple month after open heart surgery ... very pro vaxx now ...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus.

Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our excess deaths were extremely low while the rest of the west were letting it rip in 2020~2021. Most people I know in Australia have only recently gotten covid for the first time.

Indeed. But isn't Australia one of the most vaccinated countries? Australia wanted to lockdown until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. With 97.3% [0] of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front. [0] https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/vaccina... How do you square these two things?

Some extra info: Aussies got vaccinated relatively easily on, but the protection gets weaker with time. This + barely about announcements about new vaccines / second booster (14M>5M drop) + new strains which are more resistant to the original vaccines are definitely messing up the numbers this year compared to the previous.

We're taking now with the benefit of knowing the future. The lockdowns kept the numbers low for a long time and vaccination kept the original strains away as well by the time we did the "mission success".

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. But isn't Australia one of the most vaccinated countries? Australia wanted to lockdown until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. With 97.3% [0] of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front. [0] https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/vaccina... How do you square these two things?

Some extra info: Aussies got vaccinated relatively easily on, but the protection gets weaker with time. This + barely about announcements about new vaccines / second booster (14M>5M drop) + new strains which are more resistant to the original vaccines are definitely messing up the numbers this year compared to the previous. We're taking now with the benefit of knowing the future. The lockdowns kept the numbers low fo…

The "original strain" was already gone by the time Australia started vaccinating.

Input Australia on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations and have a look for yourself.

Then again, we were always behind each and every variant, always following our tail when it came to it.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #26

Exactly as to be expected, when a horde of stupid monkeys (humans) tries to confine a respiratory virus. Damaging the immune system with lockdowns (less uvb, less activity, fear), mask mandates (The only big studie that shows some positive effect has been made in Bangladesh. Because the medical level and corruption level are known to be superior to the industrialized nations?) and dubious vaccines takes its toll.

You clearly need to step back and reevaluate your sources.

There have been plenty of studies done with / in regards of masks.

Also I'm totally lost on why you would ever rant on masks. They are easy to wear and do relatively good in comparison to the effort of wearing one.

I also find it tremendously shitty to write this in a way that it was always clear from the beginning how this new Virus would interact with us.

Why people like you think it's reasonable at all NOT TO BE careful for a totally NEW UnKNOWN airborne virus?

This is srsly your first response to a unknown new thread? Ignoring it?

And the situation at the beginning with alpha then beta and then delta was constantly changing.

And I really hope you are at least as opiniated about all the other scams and not just your 'covid scam' like homeopathic 'medicin' and other things like religion.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some extra info: Aussies got vaccinated relatively easily on, but the protection gets weaker with time. This + barely about announcements about new vaccines / second booster (14M>5M drop) + new strains which are more resistant to the original vaccines are definitely messing up the numbers this year compared to the previous. We're taking now with the benefit of knowing the future. The lockdowns kept the numbers low fo…

The "original strain" was already gone by the time Australia started vaccinating. Input Australia on https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations and have a look for yourself. Then again, we were always behind each and every variant, always following our tail when it came to it.

That's ok. Big pharma still gets paid for every jab, regardless if it actually works.
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