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Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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Hopefully it encourages someone to have an objective investigation into vaccines and "vaccines". OZ was particularly hard on lockdowns and vaxx.

Our excess deaths were extremely low while the rest of the west were letting it rip in 2020~2021. Most people I know in Australia have only recently gotten covid for the first time.

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The report divides deaths into three types: those who died of covid, those who died with covid and excess deaths. The excess deaths are more numerous than the with covid deaths.

Weekly fluctuations in excess deaths correlates strongly with covid deaths, so people who want to pretend that the excess deaths are due to something other than covid (ie, vaccinations or lockdown measures) are barking up the wrong tree.

https://www.actuaries.digital/2022/12/07/covid-19-mortality-...

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

#13

Hopefully it encourages someone to have an objective investigation into vaccines and "vaccines". OZ was particularly hard on lockdowns and vaxx.

Our excess deaths were extremely low while the rest of the west were letting it rip in 2020~2021. Most people I know in Australia have only recently gotten covid for the first time.

>the rest of the west were letting it rip in 2020~2021

That's funny. As restrictions started to lift during 2021 (UK/Wales), some complained that the government was now letting it rip. Just shows - anyone more cautious than you is needlessly scared, and anyone less cautious is an idiot.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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The report divides deaths into three types: those who died of covid, those who died with covid and excess deaths. The excess deaths are more numerous than the with covid deaths. Weekly fluctuations in excess deaths correlates strongly with covid deaths, so people who want to pretend that the excess deaths are due to something other than covid (ie, vaccinations or lockdown measures) are barking up the wrong tree. http…

The wider point is that, despite some of the most draconian lockdowns on earth, Australia hasn't escaped Covid.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One problem is a lot of things are moving in tandem. So for example, a lot of places are getting hit with very serious seasonal infectious disease, and Australia would have gone through that earlier. So is that delayed effects of postponed care from two years ago, or a rebound in seasonal infectious disease due to who knows what? There are ways of modeling this all but it's going to be really challenging.

While covid (or the covid spike toxicity) no doubt is playing a role in the background, most is just a hospital system that already stretched. it might be not evident to people further afield, but a lot of aussies don't like to travel an hour or two to a larger hospital's A&E, put up with the long lines of people waiting, along with the waiting room being a crowded space just full of nasty bugs -- it's no hard questi…

Good grief. Don't mess around with vascular symptoms like that. Though I'm not one to talk, I once waited out my legs going paralyzed (I got better! ..mostly.)

It's saddening to hear that Australia's hospital system is overloaded like the US's. Nurses are burnt out and leaving in droves, and we're not even giving them a raise. I'm amazed how little emergency workers seem to be valued after a major emergency.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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The report divides deaths into three types: those who died of covid, those who died with covid and excess deaths. The excess deaths are more numerous than the with covid deaths. Weekly fluctuations in excess deaths correlates strongly with covid deaths, so people who want to pretend that the excess deaths are due to something other than covid (ie, vaccinations or lockdown measures) are barking up the wrong tree. http…

The wider point is that, despite some of the most draconian lockdowns on earth, Australia hasn't escaped Covid.

Wasn't that supposed to buy them time until they got everyone vaccinated?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One problem is a lot of things are moving in tandem. So for example, a lot of places are getting hit with very serious seasonal infectious disease, and Australia would have gone through that earlier. So is that delayed effects of postponed care from two years ago, or a rebound in seasonal infectious disease due to who knows what? There are ways of modeling this all but it's going to be really challenging.

Should have linked the article directly instead of the news article. https://www.actuaries.digital/2022/12/07/covid-19-mortality-... It actually has a great summary at the bottom about the probable causes of excess deaths to date.

And based on timing it might not be vaccine related

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Hopefully it encourages someone to have an objective investigation into vaccines and "vaccines". OZ was particularly hard on lockdowns and vaxx.

Our excess deaths were extremely low while the rest of the west were letting it rip in 2020~2021. Most people I know in Australia have only recently gotten covid for the first time.

Indeed. But isn't Australia one of the most vaccinated countries? Australia wanted to lockdown until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. With 97.3% [0] of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front.

[0] https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/vaccina...

How do you square these two things?

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Am genuinely curious if people find out that this is vaccine-related, what would the implications of that be? (I do not think this is, I am just curious)

Read the original article which actually highlight reasons that are likely and which are not. The vaccine whilst we are in mind is not, due to misfit of timing not because if any deep state.

Re: Australia: Excess deaths in 2022 'incredibly high' at 13 percent

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This is certainly worrying to some degree given that Australia wanted to buy time by isolating itself from the rest of the world until they could vaccinate virtually everyone. And with 97.3% of people aged 16+ with at least 1 dose [0] they can claim "Mission accomplished" on that front.

At this point, either the vaccine works as claimed, in which case we shouldn't be seeing these numbers, or it doesn't.

[0] https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccines/vaccina...

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