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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

themoonisachees wrote: post #230
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #178

I just run W10Privacy program every now and then, and it disables all the ads, telemetry and bloatware in Windows. Takes 5 minutes. No such program exists for Android or iOS, it just can't exist.

My pro 1 running lineageOS begs to disagree. Android can be customized to your liking if you know what you're doing. You may argue that that is removed from the default experience enough that it's not that valid of a use case, but w10privacy hardly is a common use case.

W10Privacy takes 5 minutes to run. Frankly, how long did it take you to go through all the lineOS hoops? And how many apps still don't work on your phone?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by baremetal »

NovaVeles wrote: post #515
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I could not tell you the last time I had Windows in the home. I would guess around 2013. After then I kind of went (almost) 'Full Stallman' - I had been moving that way for a few years already. The only Microsoft product I have is an old Xbox 360 that was updated once and then left permanently offline. Side story - I remember in late 2001 when the 1st Xbox was coming out and I was in a retail store. There was couple…

Last time I had a windows machine in my house was 2005.

Even my elderly parents run Linux, supported by me of course. They don't know even know the difference.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by crabmusket »

haolez wrote: post #301

I've used Linux and Windows for more than a decade each. I know about desktop Linux' shortcomings and I was using Windows 10 in the last few years because it worked better than Linux for me. There is just too much stuff going on and performance suffers (especially when dealing with Docker for Windows). It also feels that I'm a guinea pig for PMs at Microsoft to experiment on new revenue generating features, but my op…

What confuses me is the UI changes every version. If Microsoft's bread and butter are "casual" or "clueless" users, aren't they vulnerable to changes much more than power users?

Maybe M$ PMs don't care about confusing your average grandma who can't find the start menu because it moved to the middle of the taskbar. It's not like granny is going to up and switch to a Mac, is it?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by lmm »

burnished wrote: post #314
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When was the last time you tried Linux? Ugh. Like, literally every time someone talks about having problems with Linux this exact same sentence is said in response. I'm pretty much always trying Linux these days on various devices and I still constantly run into issues. Constantly . It's great that you have zero issues, but please consider that a lot of us aren't so fortunate.

What would you want them to do differently? They believe things have improved over time and want to share that information. I think it’s helpful but you seem to think it’s tiring or that they just shouldn’t?

If they think there has been a step change improvement in the linux experience then they should make that a falsifiable claim by specifying when it happened themselves.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by a2tech »

JadeNB wrote: post #394
a2tech wrote: post #195

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You're extremely lucky then. On our (very large, very strictly managed Windows 10 fleet) Edge is CONSTANTLY becoming the default PDF handler. Its a real PITA and MS has failed to give admins the tools to manage this correctly. These anti customer dark patterns are going to drive a wedge into the golden goose of corporate sales. At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd nev…

> At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd never have guessed before. I switched to Macs in 2004, and have loved the experience most of the time, but fear that it's not so much that Apple is above this sort of thing as that they're a little bit behind Microsoft in doing it. Already, do you want to use iCloud? Are you sure you don't want to use iCloud? Maybe now you want t…

I'm aware of the things you're talking about and I also find them annoying. But I just setup a brand new Windows 11 Pro laptop and I had NO idea how bad things had gotten. By default out of the box a brand new Windows Pro install will:

1) Only let you login using a Microsoft account. No local account

2) If secure boot is enabled in the BIOS it will be locked to 'S' mode where it will only install and run software from the MS App store. You can not disable it without logging into the MS Store and downloading and running a tool to disable it. The only way I found around this was to go into the BIOS and disable Secure Boot. That immediately disabled 'S' mode. This was not documented anywhere.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by lmm »

oriolid wrote: post #79
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #71

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Dunno man, I’ve been using Linux on the desktop for almost 3 decades. It’s been ok for me :) conversely I can’t stand using windows for more than a few minutes - luckily I don’t have to do this often.

If you're a veteran Linux user, you probably know where to look for config files and how to hack them. Trying to use Linux using GUI only, whichever you choose, is awful. It's like the designers copied the worst ideas from both Windows and MacOS on purpose and then added some of their own.

> If you're a veteran Linux user, you probably know where to look for config files and how to hack them.

Unfortunately these days even that keeps getting changed. Part of the reason I'm happier on FreeBSD.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by doodlesdev »

SCLeo wrote: post #209
lynndotpy wrote: post #187

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This had been the opposite of my experience though. Maybe I got lucky with hardware, but I've never had issues with out-of-date drivers (outside of CUDA dependencies for research work) or having X or Gnome or whatnot break during an update. But, I need to use Windows at my employer, and it's horrible. I wish Windows were at a point where it was ready for development. Right now, the best dev setup is "install Linux in…

My Nvidia driver literally just died last week or the week before. I had to reinstall it to make it work.

Just out of curiosity (as the website suggests lol), which distro were you using? I long left Nvidia as it's really a no-go on Linux but I noticed different distros had VASTLY different experiences with it. For instance Mint was very stable and simple to install drivers, but they were ofter outdated. Fedora was more work through rpm fusion but I also got a better experience and even managed to use Wayland. Some distros didn't even work with my setup.

In my opinion the biggest advantage and problem of Linux is the fragmentation. Linux is a word that encompasses too many variations of many systems on top of different versions with different build options of a kernel. This is why I always choose to talk about a distribution instead of Linux itself, since the kernel is just a part of the system (insert GNU/Linux copypasta here).

edit by ChatGPT, which apparently does not know about the copypasta): "Linux is actually GNU/Linux, or as I like to call it, the dynamic duo of the operating system world. The Linux kernel is like Batman, all tough and powerful, while the GNU tools and libraries are like Robin, always there to support and help out. Together, they make a unstoppable team that can take on any challenge.

But, let's be real here, without the GNU tools and libraries, the Linux kernel would just be a confused and frustrated little kernel, wondering why it can't do anything useful. So, it's important to give credit where it's due and call the whole operating system GNU/Linux.

Now, I know some of you might be thinking, "But wait, isn't Linux just for nerdy hackers and command line wizards?" Well, to those people I say, "Hold my beer, I'll show you how wrong you are." Because, these days, there are plenty of user-friendly Linux distributions that are perfect for everyday users. And, even better, most of them are free and open-source, so you can customize and tweak them to your heart's content.

But, let's not forget about the elephant in the room: NVIDIA. Yes, I'm talking about that greedy, selfish, proprietary-loving company that just can't seem to get its act together when it comes to Linux support. I mean, come on guys, we're not asking for much, just some stable drivers that don't crash all the time and support the latest features. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is, because NVIDIA just keeps letting Linux users down.

So, in conclusion, if you want to join the awesome world of GNU/Linux, go for it! You won't regret it. And if you're already using GNU/Linux, give yourself a pat on the back and keep spreading the word. And, if you're using NVIDIA on Linux, well, good luck to you my friend, you're going to need it."

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by lmm »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #128
JSRR1991 wrote: post #5

Bad time to be pushing this crap with the Linux desktop wooing the gaming/ power user overlap crowd now that steam deck is on the scene. I have been using Windows my whole life but now I have a PC dedicated to Linux for the 1st time and I'm thinking about seeing one up for my wife, as I'm sure Linux will be perform better on the older laptop I'm considering 'upcycling'. People forget that tech trends often flow outwa…

Honestly, ubuntu is doing similar UX breaking crap... every two years you need to relearn where to set the static ip, apt-get is snap, or snap is apt-get or who knows what you'll get when you need a simple install, and phoning home is preinstalled too.

Yep. I honestly think that if you loved Linux 10 or 20 years ago you're better off with FreeBSD these days.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by mancerayder »

lynndotpy wrote: post #187
mancerayder wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This message is 20 years old. Many of us long for the utopia of a Linux desktop that just works, where drivers are up to date and X windows doesn't die due to a yum/apt-get update. This feels like a future parody thread where someone will make fun of our comments.

This had been the opposite of my experience though. Maybe I got lucky with hardware, but I've never had issues with out-of-date drivers (outside of CUDA dependencies for research work) or having X or Gnome or whatnot break during an update. But, I need to use Windows at my employer, and it's horrible. I wish Windows were at a point where it was ready for development. Right now, the best dev setup is "install Linux in…

> Right now, the best dev setup is "install Linux in a VM" or "install this collection of incomplete ports/emulation/virtualization of Linux tools".

Actually it's, "request a Macbook" or "work in a place where devs get Macs".

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by userbinator »

progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

I try to not use products that don't respect me. That's fundamentally what keeps me almost exclusively on FOSS. Better alignment of incentives for what I'm trying to do.

It's worth noting that MS used to be far less hostile towards the user, and FOSS is not necessarily going to align with your incentives either[1]. To see what MS software was like before they became user-hostile, you can go to archive.org and get a download of Windows XP or older, along with some other MS software of the time, and try it in a VM.

[1] Notable examples being Ubuntu trying adware, the whole controversy surrounding systemd, and the direction Firefox is heading.

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