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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by return_to_monke »

dzink wrote: post #9

This is in the email that microsoftadvertising.com is sending unsolicited to the support email account of one of my sites: “Microsoft Advertising 88 MILLION new desktop searchers joined last year Search is at the center of online shopping 88-90% of online shoppers used search. Meanwhile, only 39% used social in their shopping journeys. Two. Most searchers are open to switching brands In fact, 3 out of 4 searchers we…

I am sorry, but that sounds like a scam. I doubt that it's an actual ms domain.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by princevegeta89 »

acdha wrote: post #168
princevegeta89 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never run Windows updates. I've always seen shady behavior with them and they did nothing significant in my case for my system in any way. I don't use windows at all but it is just giant pit of advertisements targeted towards the very basic computer users

If you don’t use it, how have you seen “shady behavior” or been able to definitively assert that they “do nothing significant”?

I used it briefly in the past 1 year.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Santosh83 »

BlargMcLarg wrote: post #115
croes wrote: post #32

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Yes, people are strange. Every problem on Linux is deal breaker, all the problems on Windows aren't.

It's not 'every problem'. People know Windows. People understand most of Windows. They took years to do so, and they still run into problems. Now you ask them 'switch over to Linux, it doesn't have problem X', without understanding the average person doesn't want to invest the time or effort learning anything more complicated than downloading and installing a random .exe (why do you think phishing and malware are so…

It's not even this. It's just that for vast majority of 'average' people, they just use whatever OS comes with their devices. "Installing an OS" is an alien concept for most people. So it is automatically either MacOS/iOS or Chromium/Linux (Chromebook), Android or Windows. That's it. And although Linux the kernel features in two of these, that's totally beside the point. The point is people mostly don't even know how to change their preinstalled OS, no matter how irritating it is. If it develops too many issues, they take it to the local tech shop who almost always will reinstall/reset the same OS and give it back.

The only people who use Linux are the tech oriented crowd, including gamers, who naturally tend to be more tech oriented than most. This is still a very small fraction of the world though. And this isn't changing unless a healthy fraction of devices and PCs come with Linux preinstalled. Even then a lot of people will complain and ask for Windows (or whatever) the very next day after purchasing their device.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #123
pjmlp wrote: post #72

Windows is still my favourite OS, but I surely am not rushing to adopt Windows 11 beyond work requirements. It is just another Vista.

> Windows is still my favourite OS Now there's an unpopular opinion if anything. I've heard the "yeah it's kind of shit, but the games/applications I use only really work with Windows" a million times, but this one is kind of new. Edit: this comment was indeed intended to be read in the context of HN crowd.

Unpopular in HN and FOSS circles.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Sebb767 »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #163
bombcar wrote: post #148

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The Linux desktop arrived under the guise of Android. The rest is minor noise, sadly. At least it is possible to have a working Linux desktop but that was true twenty years ago.

Oh really? Where are these widely used/popular Android desktop and/or laptop machines?

I know a lot of people who use Tablets as their main driver and don't have a PC (or only use it for edge cases). Not even for ideological reasons, it just works for them. It's not universal, but it's not rare, either.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by dehrmann »

jimmaswell wrote: post #155
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

Microsoft also used to have 90% market share. It's less impressive now that Mac is a viable competitor and iOS and Android are good enough for 80% of common tasks.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by mmis1000 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #154
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt…

People blindly click ok in dialogs ,think it will be fine and thus get their setting changed or install unwanted softwares.

And the dialog that nukes your app default pops up in OOBE of every win 11 major update. (To clarify, I don't think the dialog should be there at first place. A dialog that defaults to give user a big problem is just dumb)

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Bayko »

princevegeta89 wrote: post #172
acdha wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don’t use it, how have you seen “shady behavior” or been able to definitively assert that they “do nothing significant”?

I used it briefly in the past 1 year.

So you have like three molecules of experience and you are generalizing?? I am on win 10 n do every single update except upgrading to 11 and I m pretty satisfied

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #57
screye wrote: post #30

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If anything, I think it's the other way around. WSL2 is now so good, that you can get away with not needing Linux at all.

I pretty much live in WSL2 at work. While it makes Windows tolerable, it's not even close to as good as a full Linux desktop.

> it's not even close to as good as a full Linux desktop

I use "a full linux desktop" at work (Ubuntu 22.04 LTS) and the desktop UI bugs and limitations are a nightmare. Give me Windows and WSL any day in comparison. At least there I know that basic stuff like clipboard and screen sharing/capture always works flawlessly, and windows don't magically get stuck to one aspect ratio and nost wasting my time trying to google fixes for snap/wayland/apt bugs.

Sure, some of these bugs I encountered could be Ubuntu, or Gnome, or Wayland, or pipewire issues, but as an employee, I don't have time to distro hop at work in search for the Linux experience with the least amount of jank or find out which component of this bazaar engineering efort is the one responsible for this jank.

Sure, I don't see ads in my Ubuntu install, but it's 2022 and the clipboard in Firefox in Ubuntu still stops working randomly, which causes me way more productivity loss than seeing a candy crush icon in the Win start menu. Firefox bug tracker says the clipboard issue fixed on their end whenever this bug gets reported and says it must be now a Wayland issue, while Wayland devs say this is a Firefox issue, meanwhile me and severa other Ubuntu users are complaining about our clipboards being broken in FF. FML, it's 2022 and I still can't have a working clipboard on Linux, one of the most used basic features on any OS. "Year of the Linux desktop." Yeah.

Not to mentions the lack of hibernate(not sleep) on Ubuntu. I spend almost an hour trying various tutorials and command line incantations that had the risk at bricking my OS, to get hibernate working, and no cigar, and I realized Ubuntu really, really wants you not to use hibernate at all cost. I never thought it would be missing a basic feature so simple as "dump entire RAM contents to SSD, then at power on, copy them back to RAM and resume". Sure, Linux boffins will tell me this is a limitation due to the use of Z-RAM compression or something, but me as an end user, I don't care which technical decision has lead to this limitation, as it doesn't fix my problem of not having hibernate.

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