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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by account-5 »

Tenoke wrote: post #50
tkuraku wrote: post #44

Between the adds infiltrating every part of the os and the arbitrary decision to not allow my computer to run windows 11 (no TPM, though it is plenty fast) I have had enough. I've daily driving Linux for 7-8 years with only occasional windows use. There are certainly some rough edges with Linux, but it is perfectly workable.

I installed Windows 11 last week, disabled all personalization/tracking/ads settings I could find and I don't think I've noticed any ads whatsoever.

It's a sad day indeed when you pay for an OS that you then have to manually opt out of targeted ads and tracking.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by yason »

binarycrusader wrote: post #268
vanous wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. Thanks for your apology. I can imagine this could happen to some random unknown software team but not to the supposed leader of the desktop. I believe this is honest apology but I am not sure I can trust that the issue was a bug and not a feature.

I can understand why you might be skeptical. However, I have learned over the years as a developer investigating update issues that the constraints placed upon the update process to ensure compatibility and resiliency are complex. The nature of the process used for most Feature Updates requires user data and preference migration and transfer. Notably, an entirely new installation of Windows is created and then existi…

However, I have learned over the years as a developer investigating update issues that the constraints placed upon the update process to ensure compatibility and resiliency are complex.

I have learned over the years that constraints and complexity are often abused to force one's way.

Not necessarily even consciously but if the collective train of thought in a company predominantly wants to prefer one outcome (i.e. market share, world domination) at the expense of another outcome (making users happy), then it tends to be that it's really easy to do things that result in the former and really complex and difficult to do things that result in the latter.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #283
tuxinator wrote: post #267

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When was the last time you tried Linux? I just replaced my entire computer (CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc) and my Debian (bookworm) installation booted with zero issues. No need to reinstall anything. I certainly remember fighting with xorg.conf settings, graphics drivers, and kernel modules in the past. I haven't had to deal with troubles like that in nearly 10 years though.

> When was the last time you tried Linux? Ugh. Like, literally every time someone talks about having problems with Linux this exact same sentence is said in response. I'm pretty much always trying Linux these days on various devices and I still constantly run into issues. Constantly . It's great that you have zero issues, but please consider that a lot of us aren't so fortunate.

There is a lot of Linux distros out there too.

Trying Debian Stable versus a bleeding edge Arch Linux will likely give wildly varying degrees and complexity of 'issues'.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by burnished »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #283
tuxinator wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When was the last time you tried Linux? I just replaced my entire computer (CPU, motherboard, GPU, etc) and my Debian (bookworm) installation booted with zero issues. No need to reinstall anything. I certainly remember fighting with xorg.conf settings, graphics drivers, and kernel modules in the past. I haven't had to deal with troubles like that in nearly 10 years though.

> When was the last time you tried Linux? Ugh. Like, literally every time someone talks about having problems with Linux this exact same sentence is said in response. I'm pretty much always trying Linux these days on various devices and I still constantly run into issues. Constantly . It's great that you have zero issues, but please consider that a lot of us aren't so fortunate.

What would you want them to do differently? They believe things have improved over time and want to share that information. I think it’s helpful but you seem to think it’s tiring or that they just shouldn’t?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by wswope »

Aperocky wrote: post #222
czx4f4bd wrote: post #212

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What's the problem with AoE II? It's rated gold on https://www.protondb.com/app/221380 and runs fine for me under Proton.

There's a definitive edition now that everyone plays and it also happens to be from literally Microsoft themselves..

And that definitive edition is listed as gold on ProtonDB.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by pjmlp »

blibble wrote: post #246
pjmlp wrote: post #78

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Games developed on Windows desktops, targeted for Windows desktops, running by translating the Windows API.

wine runs older windows games better than modern Windows with Microsoft's declining focus on compatibility, the time is coming where the majority of Windows games now run best on something that isn't Windows (not to mention the lack of ads, spyware, general lack of stability and forced reboots)

If you search for Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8,...., versus Linux, you will find similar arguments being made as prophecy of the great migration.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by dinosaurdynasty »

Aperocky wrote: post #293
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #193

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Linux can play pretty much anything under Proton now. And older games tend to work better than on Windows because Proton runs the actual code instead of trying to force it through the current windows OS that is 10 versions on and doesn't have any of the APIs anymore. A lot of old windows games don't even run on windows anymore.

Thanks, I might need to try that, does Proton require SteamOS or I could use any linux flavor I like?

As long as it can run Steam. Steam on Linux has Proton built in.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by deafpolygon »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

> Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc.

Allow me to be skeptical. This isn't the first time.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by rurp »

progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

This resonates with me, as someone who switched to Linux awhile back for similar reasons. Having an overtly adversarial relationship with the company who makes a major tool of mine is not a pleasant experience.

In addition to the points you raised, it always feels possible to fix something with Linux. It might an annoying PITA problem, but I can probably figure it out if I care enough to. With Windows (or Mac) when I encounter a problem with the OS, I never know if it's fixable or something the parent company insists on forcing on users.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by npteljes »

Aperocky wrote: post #293
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux can play pretty much anything under Proton now. And older games tend to work better than on Windows because Proton runs the actual code instead of trying to force it through the current windows OS that is 10 versions on and doesn't have any of the APIs anymore. A lot of old windows games don't even run on windows anymore.

Thanks, I might need to try that, does Proton require SteamOS or I could use any linux flavor I like?

There's no particular distro preference. If you can install Steam on it, Proton is also likely to work. Steam's SteamOS is Arch based (btw), used to be Debian based. Steam games used to target Ubuntu, I can't find the sources for this, but I remember seeing it as a target. LTS versions usually.

I personally had good experience with either Mint Cinnamon, Debian (with KDE), Fedora and Manjaro, so it's pick your poison, really. For support reasons, I suggest a popular distro.

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