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Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

maxbond wrote: post #22
usrusr wrote: post #21

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> I think that in the same way "Gen Z" (acknowledging that the concept of generations isn't as meaningful as we might want it to be) grew up understanding things about the internet better than their parents, their children will grow up socialized to use a battery of tools to determine what's real or fictional in an environment of adversarial information. Perhaps youth will turn out to be almost immune, due to the fas…

I dunno, I feel like video and audio generation is coming along as well. And the more people make videos, the larger the available corpus becomes for training. A churn of shibboleths could maybe work, but not everyone would be able to keep up with it. Lots of people struggle to understand social cues and stuff. I can only imagine how exhausting for them it would be if there were a neverending font of social cues, sel…

We already have a "neverending font of social cues, selected for their difficulty to predict and replicate". There's so much dogwhistle signalling and euphemism treadmilling going on in modern Internet discourse whose primary purpose just seems to be to enable people to identify $OTHER_TRIBE and signal that they're part of $TRIBE.

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by ggm »

maxbond wrote: post #30
ilyt wrote: post #26

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> Musk may well find himself restoring the various Ikea ball room for grown-ups in due course. > But in a workplace climate with 20,000 former FAANG washing around like polystyrene debris in the canal estate.. maybe he has picked his time well. I'd think "Ikea ball room for grown-ups" came from chatbot too, that's on you dude

Why? Pretty sure that person was just being rude & didn't genuinely believe they were speaking to a bot, anyway. I think they probably meant, "you're so unoriginal, talking to you is like talking to a chatbot." Hard to know though, they didn't elaborate.

Someone specifically ran my text against a test program, it shows high positive for bot origin. There's a bunch of discussions about this, if you're in the training set, it may account for it. There's a case for the detectors flagging that. Scott Aarenson has said he's thinking about a background signal in buried semantic signals to detect.

The original one? Sure I think they just hate how i write and said so.

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by sam_goody »

Hmmm, on the other hand; Maybe you really are a robot - we don't know.

In which case the bots are starting to rant that the humans don't accept them as they are.

Next step will be Robot's rights, and equality, and CRT? I have been meaning to ask ChatGRP what it (xit?) thinks will happen next.

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by nonrandomstring »

maxbond wrote: post #28
ilyt wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that in the same way "Gen Z" (acknowledging that the concept of generations isn't as meaningful as we might want it to be) grew up understanding things about the internet better than their parents, their children will grow up socialized to use a battery of tools to determine what's real or fictional in an environment of adversarial information. Uhhhh, while average person from that generation might be a bit…

For sure. I could have phrased this better. Perhaps, "younger people were socialized to interact with people over the internet, unlike their parents or grandparents. In the same way, their children will grow up socialized to use a battery of tools to determine what's real or fictional in an environment of adversarial information." I'm not necessarily saying they'll be good at it (indeed, that's part of my concern) ju…

I think together, you and ggm raise a troubling point. Your exchange is presently civil and exploratory (all very HN), but I expect we will see a rapid descent into accusations of impersonation and ML assisted posting elsewhere.

Yuri Bezmenov and others have detailed the active psyops tactics to systematically undermine a society by destroying mutual trust between individuals and between and within institutions.

Ultimately making a group fight each other with "information judo" leverages the group's own strengths against it. This is the weakness they saw in a democratic and tolerant societies.

It may be that GPT is the perfect self-devouring weapon. The more it feeds on our protestations, arguments and demonstrations of "humanity" the more powerful a deceiver it becomes.

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by [deleted] »

sam_goody wrote: post #33

Hmmm, on the other hand; Maybe you really are a robot - we don't know. In which case the bots are starting to rant that the humans don't accept them as they are. Next step will be Robot's rights, and equality, and CRT? I have been meaning to ask ChatGRP what it (xit?) thinks will happen next.

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Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by maxbond »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #34
maxbond wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For sure. I could have phrased this better. Perhaps, "younger people were socialized to interact with people over the internet, unlike their parents or grandparents. In the same way, their children will grow up socialized to use a battery of tools to determine what's real or fictional in an environment of adversarial information." I'm not necessarily saying they'll be good at it (indeed, that's part of my concern) ju…

I think together, you and ggm raise a troubling point. Your exchange is presently civil and exploratory (all very HN), but I expect we will see a rapid descent into accusations of impersonation and ML assisted posting elsewhere. Yuri Bezmenov and others have detailed the active psyops tactics to systematically undermine a society by destroying mutual trust between individuals and between and within institutions. Ulti…

For what it's worth, I think it's also possible that the models stall as the Internet is filled with more and more generated content, and they're unable to distinguish between generated and authentic content and eat their own tails. It won't actually stop them from existing and generating content but it could make training them very expensive, as you might have to commission your training set instead of harvesting it.

Perhaps we'll place more of an emphasis on real world interactions. Who knows.

I'm concerned but I don't think it will be a total loss of reality. But I can't rule it out of course.

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by _5yv8 »

ggm wrote: post #6
robocat wrote: post #3

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I did a quick detect on some your older posts: found this one from a year ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27568715 with 65 tokens and 99.14% fake. A quick googling shows sentences to be unique. GPT2 released on February 2019, so it would be nice to find older examples than that. Of course, does the detector have problems when text from its training corpus is used? No idea. Maybe your brain is just closer to…

I think I've been subtly insulted again... fail the test, more closely aligned to the statistical model of an ideal GPT and using cliché. I plead guilty to all of them. I clearly took one for the team, let the side down, disappointed at the finish, peaked early and missed by a country mile. Try harder. Grow a backbone. (Hu)man up!

Wait what if the reply that ggm is not GPT, is made by GPT?

Re: Apparently I am a robot

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Post by ggm »

_5yv8 wrote: post #39
ggm wrote: post #6

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I think I've been subtly insulted again... fail the test, more closely aligned to the statistical model of an ideal GPT and using cliché. I plead guilty to all of them. I clearly took one for the team, let the side down, disappointed at the finish, peaked early and missed by a country mile. Try harder. Grow a backbone. (Hu)man up!

Wait what if the reply that ggm is not GPT, is made by GPT?

Oh no pooh.. that's not honey it's.. recursion
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