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EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #95

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> Most restaurants and cafes don’t accept cash either although they are certainly free to do so. Ok, so I'm curious about this place where you live where most restaurants don't accept cash, so here's a question: Let's say you enter the restaurant, eat the food and now you owe payment, but you don't have a credit card (maybe you didn't notice the "no cash" sign). Legal tender laws say that cash must be accepted as pay…

> Ok, so I'm curious about this place where you live where most restaurants don't accept cash This is in Sweden. > Legal tender laws say that cash must be accepted as payment for all debts. Yes. But those apparently aren’t absolute and non-negotiable. The Riksbank is actually concerned about this, because it’s affecting the ability for the economy to function in a crisis, as well as the ability to make anonymous tran…

> This is in Sweden.

Does Sweden accept Visa/MC or they have some weird local card in most places?

Just checking in case i ever play the tourist in Sweden. Had trouble in NL.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #257

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In what circumstances have you or someone you known ever needed to pay for something over €10k in cash?

A car?

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Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #256

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Let's be honest for a second. There are very few instances where a person would ever 'need' to pay for something over €10k in physical cash?

Horrible take. 10k is a pittance. Small business owners, farmers, people buying and selling vehicles, etc. It’s not a large amount of money. If you go down to the apple store and buy a couple well specced computers the bill is going to be over 10k.

Americans aren't used banking systems that work.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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This will affect maybe 0.001% of the population. No one drops a stack of 10K euro when they buy something, it just doesn't happen.

This new rule bans transactions over 10k, but it also places restrictions on transactions as small as 1k euro. And of course, once these rules are in place, they can lower the limit over time. Boiling the frog and all that.

You don’t need to lower the limit. Just wait for inflation to do its thing. No new legislation or public debate necessary.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #229

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There are no fees for bank transfers in Europe.

There are. Not international fees as such but there are bank to bank fees.

I have not seen a SEPA wire transfer cost more than 1€ since SEPA wire transfers have existed. Which would make the fee at most 0.01% for >10k€ payments.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #39

With inflation, “worker shortages”, and prices rising - 10,000 will soon become within reach for lots of normal people. Pushing them to NEED to use a profit driven banking system. Forcing them to be tracked. To have data mined and sold. To rely on “too big to fail” banking systems that practically schedule economic downturns every 20 years or so.

> Pushing them to NEED to use a profit driven banking system. Profit driven, but available literally for free for an account and transfers (depending on the bank). > To have data mined and sold. GDPR says no. > To rely on “too big to fail” banking systems that practically schedule economic downturns every 20 years or so. We're talking about the EU here, not the US. There are a ton of challenger new banks.

Most of those challenger banks are backed by old school banks.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #209

I know someone in England who paid for their houses construction by going to an ATM and maxing out the cash withdrawal per card, putting the cash in a bin bag, and giving it to the builders on a daily basis. I don't believe it'd be realistically possible to stop this from occurring.

You don’t think an algorithm can flag up a person for an audit?

And what happens then? You're legally paying someone - it's their job to report it appropriately.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #204

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> "Name one practical reason to pay amounts higher than 1.000€ in cash." it's 10.000 euros, you're off by an order of magnitude. Can you name one practical reason to pay more than 10k cash?

Car, house, selling/buying land etc. Mostly coz many banks take % cut on big money tranfers so taking it out and just giving it to someone in a bag is sometimes tens of thousands cheaper

Not in Europe. Bought a car last year, transferring the money was €0.50.

Re: EU-wide maximum limit of €10K for cash payments

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post #256

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Let's be honest for a second. There are very few instances where a person would ever 'need' to pay for something over €10k in physical cash?

Horrible take. 10k is a pittance. Small business owners, farmers, people buying and selling vehicles, etc. It’s not a large amount of money. If you go down to the apple store and buy a couple well specced computers the bill is going to be over 10k.

I’d imagine it’s fairly unlikely you’re paying cash for that large amount, most people would choose a more convenient form of transfer surely?

How much time is wasted in these transactions just counting and verifying the money?

Also what if lots of people decided to transact like this. It’s not like the banks have paper to back all your deposits, they’d need time to go physically print paper if it became that popular a medium.

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