The failure was only to name it Full self-driving while it wasn't... easy failure to avoid...
Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point I'd imagine Tesla is better off with Musk being distracted by his shiny new toy. Though I'd be concerned about the effect he is having on their brand image. Even two years ago I was on the verge of buying a Tesla but ended up cancelling my order in large part because I just couldn't stand the obnoxiousness of Elon and he has gotten orders of magnitude worse since then. His new "demographic"/cult also se…
He does run a cult. My father finds Musk entirely reputable. I am currently subject to at least a 30 minute call a day from him, a retired model S owner, who has nothing left in his life other than the Tesla. The calls are 30 minutes of him reeling off Tesla PR bollocks. He chased everyone he knew away, speaks of nothing else and cannot see reason or error in this or any of Musk's things. He thinks the Twitter thing…
Thank you for sharing. I think it's important for people in this forum to hear stories like this.
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#193It might be a plausible argument for stuff sold 6 years ago when the future was uncertain. But in 2022 I'm not seeing how it's plausible as an excuse. Considering it's still being sold and marketed as 'Full self driving'. Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of. If at the very least due to the fact that a very commonly encountered condition, construction work, effecti…
What about non California weather? I imagine radar might handle fog, but driving rain as in Carolina or serious snow as in Canada?
I've wondered the same thing about FSD in Canada.
Often we Canadians drive on roads where we cant see the lines due to snow/ice. We sort of form our own "lanes" based on where we think the lines SHOULD be.
How would a FSD Tesla handle a situation where everything is white?
Even Humans who are use to these conditions still fail: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/opp-responds-to-numerous-crashes-o...
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think 2016 it was already widely known by the industry it was going to be very difficult compared to what Tesla was saying, especially without the handicaps they imposed on themselves. No one with knowledge took Tesla's timeline seriously > Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of I've always been pessimistic about FSD but I think it'd pretty hard to reconcile that q…
> actual L4 deployments In some of the cities with the easiest driving conditions in the world.
Apart from SF, they have also started testing in LA.
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#195I’m been on the fsd beta for a long time now and I have to say it’s remarkably improved over the last year. If it continues to improve at this rate for another year it’s going to be pretty useful. I use it to drive around seattle (which is a difficult driving place with randomly followed infrastructure standards and randomly driving drivers and randomly parked cars) and it used to be a death defying gripping of the s…
I'm sorry, but your wife should lose her license if she is truly that bad, and she should be required to take further training to get it back.
Right, like driving isn't a single player experience. You are also a danger to everyone else...
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn't a "9 out of 10 dentists recommend using our product" situation, and cellphone companies have been sued for failing to deliver true unlimited plans. It is being marketed as "Full Self Driving", and the CEO is publicly saying it is "in beta", "coming next year", and "just waiting for regulatory approval". In reality it needs constant driver supervision, is still primitive enough that it is directly linked to…
Your comment helps prove my point because you didn’t stop at just the name. It takes more than “the name is a misleading” to be considered fraud. Tesla is guilty of more than just giving the feature a bad name. If you are arguing fraud, mention those other things. Because people don’t spend $40k+ based off a name of a feature. I can still go to Verizon’s website today and find “Unlimited” plans so the name clearly wa…
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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#197As a former Tesla owner (one year ago), their claims are just ridiculous. How can Tesla talk about FSD, when they cannot resolve even simple cruise control on a street that is not a highway with a separator. More like FFS than FSD
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made. It’s a shame, we loved our last Tesla but I can’t stand the thought of being associated with him. We were supposed to pick it up the week he made those tweets. I was his former prime target demographic. I feel very strongly about protecting the environment, I hate gasoline engines after working on them most…
> I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made. Sorry to be so blunt, but I find this level of online political attachment to be completely deranged. Either it's a good car or not.
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Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#199It might be a plausible argument for stuff sold 6 years ago when the future was uncertain. But in 2022 I'm not seeing how it's plausible as an excuse. Considering it's still being sold and marketed as 'Full self driving'. Clearly even level 4 autonomy is far beyond what any near future technology is capable of. If at the very least due to the fact that a very commonly encountered condition, construction work, effecti…
What about non California weather? I imagine radar might handle fog, but driving rain as in Carolina or serious snow as in Canada?
Forget rain and snow, they can't even handle non-California roads yet.
I had the misfortune of taking a rental on narrow mountain roads and it actively attempted to kill us twice. While moving over to pass an oncoming car, the lane keeping feature decided we were too close to the shoulder and started steering us back into the oncoming car.
After pulling over, regaining my composure for a few minutes, and figuring out how to disable it; somehow it activated again on a different day and it happened again.
Re: Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made. It’s a shame, we loved our last Tesla but I can’t stand the thought of being associated with him. We were supposed to pick it up the week he made those tweets. I was his former prime target demographic. I feel very strongly about protecting the environment, I hate gasoline engines after working on them most…
> I had the same exact response and cancelled mine around the time of the tweets about the Pelosi attack he made. Sorry to be so blunt, but I find this level of online political attachment to be completely deranged. Either it's a good car or not.
I think another post alluded to this but if Tesla gets in trouble the cars will likely be bricked right?
If the viability of the company relies on the hype machine then it’s pretty relevant what kj d of person is “renting” me the car