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It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.
But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue
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You do realize in the us there are thousands of worker deaths. Do we hold a memorial each time?
Working conditions in the US have improved dramatically over the last century because politicians and leaders took action to improve them. Your position seems to be that it doesn’t matter what leaders and politicians say if they don’t believe it in their heart. I think that’s less relevant than their actions. (And FWIW, yes, usually when a worker dies on the job in the US the company does sponsor a memorial)
Have you perhaps considered that just because US society might be a few decades ahead in certain types of rights, that maybe that's just a fluke of nature and doesn't give the US any moral standing?
Edit: can't respond any more, so I will just say: this thread is exactly an example of fake empathy. None of these guys will go out of their way to help the migrant worker, they will demand others do so. Fake empathy.
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Look at your leaders. What percentage do you think operate from sincere va feigned or politically beneficial empathy? Is it a majority? At what level of government do you think it becomes a majority or minority?
I honestly think my leaders (in the Netherlands) roughly do what they believe is in the best interest of the people. I think there’s few that truly feign empathy. There’s people that don’t care. I just don’t see them in politics, they’re all business leaders. I guess politics isn’t lucrative enough here.
The more "other", the more fake empathy.
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Is there a suggested causal link here…?
It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…
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Is there a suggested causal link here…?
It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…
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Think as you like but behave like others is the western approach. They would bemoan the loss and be very emotional about it while internally thinking the same thing this guy said. I prefer my leaders to be less fluff.
Maybe you think that, but I’m sure many people have basic human empathy at the end of the day. Yes statistically many people die on the job in many countries but every one is still a tragedy. You can think that and be running a large organization. I feel like many conservative thinkers believe that it’s all “fake” and just PR. But human empathy is a real thing.
I think it's essential for mental health to find a way to not grieve these strangers!
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It just happened, probably too early to come to any conclusions. I think the concern is that Wahl seems to have been a generally healthy person (although recently been feeling sick, according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33931689 ), wrote a critical article about a famously hard government, received a bunch of death threats and the day after drops dead. Again, too early to reach any conclusions, I guess we…
there will never be any irrefuteable proof of any wrongdoing wherever it was murder or not. an autopsy report done by them would be as untrustworthy and pointless as you can get and handing over the body would be just as pointless. The regimes publicly kill people which critique even abroads and continue to bribe anyone thats willing to take their money and can give them something they wish. None of the news can be t…
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Think as you like but behave like others is the western approach. They would bemoan the loss and be very emotional about it while internally thinking the same thing this guy said. I prefer my leaders to be less fluff.
Maybe you think that, but I’m sure many people have basic human empathy at the end of the day. Yes statistically many people die on the job in many countries but every one is still a tragedy. You can think that and be running a large organization. I feel like many conservative thinkers believe that it’s all “fake” and just PR. But human empathy is a real thing.
And yet I think most politicians and leaders do not have true empathy, they are just faking it.
It seems pretty obvious that a totalitarian petrostate, that bribed its way into using a global sports event as a massive PR push, doesn't care. What matters is whether we care that they don't care. What matters is whether we care that our sports institutions are massively corrupt.
Everyone knows FIFA is a deeply corrupt organization. There is also not much anyone can do about it. But I don't think "we need to care more" is a good mental model for the issue
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What they’re thinking internally isn’t the issue. The statements send a signal to the rest of the organization and impact what gets prioritized. In this case, the signal is “life of workers doesn’t matter”.
You do realize in the us there are thousands of worker deaths. Do we hold a memorial each time?
There’s plenty of room for improvement. But it used to be that a 10,000 person steel mill could expect 1200 deaths and serious injuries each year. That only changed because people cared enough to fight for better conditions.